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Rudd Government failings vs. achievements

Rudd keeps demanding the senate gets out of the way.
Paul Keating called them unrepresentative swill but he at least had goals beyond the political.

Perhaps the answer is an ALP government with a Coalition controlled Senate. Then nothing would happen and that might be a good thing.
 

As you seem to be up to speed on these issues could you give me a rough estimate of how much of this money would return to government coffers through taxes
 

Thanks for the segway So_Cynical ... still waiting for a reply from previous posts but Oh well ...... you get that.

Yesssssssssss little Johnny did take seriously Global Warming and looooooooong before an ETS ?? You did question me about "The good 'ol days" with NO ETS, green house gasses were something that affected the rest of the world, all we had to worry about were 700 Iraqis on boats trying to que (sic) jump," ?? Slipped your mind did it? LOLOLOL

So ALL this money that had been previously spent with it's mountains of data and knowledge were completely ignored by Herr Rudd and Co only to propogate another Dept. to investigate what had already been discovered? ROFL.

This was all done PRIOR to Copenhagen (GG our secret codeword is out in the public domain) prior to Al Gore fantacism (where is he by the way, must be with Penny Wong) and long before it became a catch cry of the collective masses bleating carbon neutral vehicles and eco friendly co habitation environments.


Is this the best you can come up with So_Cynical? A fart in a bottle? (make sure it is not methane) Next time don't bring a knife to a gun fight or I might just have to get serious. :
 
It may be time to remember that it is the SAME public "servants" that work implementing the Rudd program that worked implementing the Howard program. Maybe it is the failings of the public service that should be called to account.

I have s sudden found respect for this navel gazing knowledge. They are paid by the hour by the way irrespective of who their masters are!
 
As you seem to be up to speed on these issues could you give me a rough estimate of how much of this money would return to government coffers through taxes

At last count it was over 8 BILLION DOLLARS of waste !! OMFG ! If you are looking at a tax rate then sadly I cannot be of much help as the ATO have gone silent on this matter.
 
Overall yes...would be helpful if the senate would actually pass some of the Govt's legislative agenda...pretty hard to get any major reforms happening without the senate at-least cooperating a little....but that's politics.

Happy with what exactly ?? Please explain? I look forward to the achievements according to So_Cynical of the Labor Guvment and all it's glory.
 

Segway is that where you get them foot long rolls from lol
 

Back in the good old days the Democrat's used to control the senate and actually let the coalition get there bills thru...until they stupidly (Meg Lees) approved the GST legislation...which Rudd is stealthily now trying to claw back from the states...if only Johnny hadn't given it all away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Lees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_Services_Tax_(Australia)
 

A true insight of galactic proportions .. some rationale at last ! BRAVO , BRAVO, clap clap clap !
 

Previous post...segway huh, you made a silly comment about public service waste and i responded with a Howard Govt example...and now your ranting and clearly lost the plot.

You were so coherent just a couple of pages ago...what happened?

Sarcasm is so easily lost on a forum...Howards green house office was created as a political stunt, a 400 million dollar distraction, so he and other ministers could say they were doing something about 'global warming" while withdrawing from IPCC meetings and Kyoto framework discussions.

They spent 400 million on nothing...i remember a wave project up in the Kimberly got 7 million for a feasibility study...but you wont ever see a tidal energy project up there, the money was totally wasted.
 
Overall yes...would be helpful if the senate would actually pass some of the Govt's legislative agenda...pretty hard to get any major reforms happening without the senate at-least cooperating a little....but that's politics.

OK - so overall you're happy with the Rudd governments performance. You're easily pleased - most of us don't regard continuous incompetence, reckless spending, one stuff up after another, and massively increased debt as satisfactory performance from a government.

It seems that even Rudd himself disagrees with you, judging by his recent comment of 'We're taking a whacking in the polls, and quite frankly, we deserve a whacking'.
This was nothing less than a surprisingly candid admission of the serious shortcomings and substandard performance of himself and his government.
 
As you seem to be up to speed on these issues could you give me a rough estimate of how much of this money would return to government coffers through taxes

Todster ol' son - I wouldn't waste my time in trying to give you such an estimate. Since you're the one who wants an estimate, I'll let you provide your own.

I do hope though, that you're not silly enough to suggest that Rudd's outrageous and irresponsible expenditure is justified on the basis of the taxes it generates for the government!
 

Yes,Comrade KRudd has an ulterior motive for clawing back the GST and we all know what he is hidding.
The Labor Party were going to wind back the GST. All talk and no action.
The Labor states love it. So tell me dear so cynical, what don't you like about the GST?
 
So tell me dear so cynical, what don't you like about the GST?

I didn't say i didn't like it, just said in a round about way that Johnny made a mistake giving it all to the states and now i get the impression Rudd's trying to get some back via the health reform.

The states love the GST cos its a growth tax that just grows and grows with the economy...if Rudd can get some back it will be another great achievement from this can do government...i just hope they have a DD election and clean out the senate.
 

A silly comment about public waste?? I am ranting and losing the plot? I am still waiting for a response from previous posts but once again I digress to keep the harmonious relationship in ASF.

So you would prefer this Labor Guvt to sign up for an ETS that cripples the economy? Are you aware that the top 3 electricity polluters of China pour more Co2 into the atmosphere in 1 month then the UK does in one year? Are you aware that Australia in it's entirety is less than 0.2% Globally of the whole warming fiasco?? And you want me to talk about waste and sarcasm?? Where is this ETS now So_Cynical?? Where is Penny Wong and her cohorts claiming this is the most important moral global issue we have ever faced? Where are the salespeople? Who has been out there arguing passionately and compellingly that climate change is real, and urgent? As everyone agrees, the Prime Minister has been missing in action for a year or more. His minister, Penny Wong, is robotic. Peter Garrett has been sidelined. Only Greg Combet has summoned up any discernible passion on the topic and he now heads up the Pink Batt Fiasco??? Copenahgen = FAIL

Yes dear little Johnny wasted tax payers money on "schemes" that they thought were appropriate during their time in politics. No one is disputing this So_Cynical. Was it a waste at the time ... YES .... was it a waste of time and money NOW ?? I would think not if all this information has been passed onto the relevant authorities who would use this to formulate an informed response and NOT try and rush into signing a deal that China, the U.S. and other major polluters have so far refused to sign. WHY IS THIS SO ??

Wasted, sarcasm, silly comments, political stunt ... call it what you will So_Cynical ... it appears what was good for Johnny is even better for KRudd.
 

No you use a dozen schools out of how many as an example,is there any out there that got what they wanted or is the whole scheme corrupt.Cmon.
The money is in the economy as planned i suspect
And they will get a good slice back through tax
A big part of construction materials are actually OZ made believe it or not
bricks mortar steel,cheer up fellas WA and QLD will float your busted **** states
 

Yes, there may well be some schools out there that got what they wanted.
That, however, does not excuse the outrageous waste of taxpayers money on Rudd's ill-considered and poorly managed schemes, whether it's spending on schools or home insulation or whatever.
If you're looking for return through taxes, you'll always get more return on money invested wisely than on money wasted irresponsibly.

Like you, I fully understand the concept of government spending to sell goods, create jobs and produce revenue for government coffers.
But trying to justify completely irresponsible and reckless expenditure on the basis of the taxes it produces, is about as silly as trying to justify the drug trade on the basis of how many jobs it creates and how much taxation revenue it produces.

If you're not concerned about your money being splashed around recklessly, you should be. It's you and me and everyone else who has to pay for it sooner or later.
 

You know i read the newspaper daily watch a bit of news,this is the only place and afew letters to the editor that i ever hear about it.
No one seems to care.
Not trying to justify,just a little balance
Drugs trade,jobs,tax your comparison has lost me
 
It is a refreshing change that the Rudd gang have tacitly admitted that they can't manage the home insulation scheme and have decided to abandon it

It's only a matter of time before they come to the same conclusion about the BER, the Agoriginal housing scheme, the Broadband scheme and eventually the health reform fiasco.

It's a shame that so many billions have to go down the gurgler, before they come to their senses and realise they are incapable of managing anything.

It will be interesting to see them trying to put a positive spin on their failure. Probably;

Blame Howard,

Blame Abbott,

They did it to save Australia from recession,

Etc.
 

It depends on your perception of failure.
Come election time the masses will decide.
A small part of me hopes for a Lib win just to see Barnaby and The Monk steering the ship
 
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