Mr GumnutYour post has a religious tone to it, calling people "deniers" who don't agree with you, why not call them "infidels" or "unbelievers" and blow em up or burn em at the stake.
Is there a point in time when you will substantiate your claims?Ahhh rederob! In an attitude reminiscent of young earth creationists. You're so 2008, so behind the curve on revelations in the CC arena.
I was going to fisk your fisking, but it's like trying to rationalize with some sort of mad mullah - futile.
Those folks capable of logical and balanced discernment have already, or soon will realised they have been scammed via all the Gorist/IPCC nonsense. A certain number of faithful will stay trapped in the Gorist twilight zone, even as we enter a new cooling cycle.
C'est la vie, que sera sera, etc etc
Mr Gumnut
I could use longhand and each time refer to one or any number of people who "deny" that there is any substance to the science that supports human-induced global warming theory, or I could call them "deniers"; the latter being my preference.
You do know this anyway, and simply wish to stir the pot, as I see is your want.
I find that most deniers simply regurgitate falsehoods and myths that abound the popular media. A lesser number look at the evidence, don't understand it, and come to wrongheaded conclusions. If their beliefs are poorly based, it is possible they might change. On the other hand, there are some who quite deliberately choose information to obfuscate the facts and mislead. It would be an error of judgement to call them infidels or unbelievers as they have a special agenda. Do you wish to elaborate yours?
This reference has little to do with Arctic/Antarctic sea ice extent, and proves nothing - from the article itself: For now, however, there are no signs of a slowdown in the circulation. "The changes we're seeing in overturning strength are probably part of a natural cycle," said Willis. "The slight increase in overturning since 1993 coincides with a decades-long natural pattern of Atlantic heating and cooling."Atlantic 'Conveyor Belt' Not Slowing, NASA Study Finds
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100329132405.htm
Oops the models got that one wrong..
As others will see from your attached reference (below chart), cherry picking data is not a useful way to demonstrate a multidecadal trend. In recent years the decline in sea ice extent has neared 20% of the 30 year average.
You have confused two matters in belief and conclusiveness. Belief does not imply a demand of evidence beyond reasonable doubt. In this regard climate science is pointing us towards probabilities rather than definitive near term outcomes.I do have a detestation of humbuggery and a lack of evidence for this Weather nonsense, as all that I have read does not lead me to conclusively believe in it.
I can't share that view as evidence based decision making is devoid of politics.I also find that those who push the Climate change line are the same old lefties who over the years have come up with objection after objection to progress.
...as evidence based decision making is devoid of politics.
Please substantiate your claims.That would be true if climate science was truly evidence based, but it isn't.
Politics is involved ab initio, right from the funding stage. In fact funding is only available for scientists seeking to confirm the politically driven IPCC AGW hypothesis.
Climate science cannot be divorced from politics at this point and I find it incredible that you naively believe it is.
You have confused two matters in belief and conclusiveness. Belief does not imply a demand of evidence beyond reasonable doubt. In this regard climate science is pointing us towards probabilities rather than definitive near term outcomes.
The problem we have is that in this realm of probabilities there is a likely tipping point: A point where the physics takes over and our beliefs are left in its wake.
I can't share that view as evidence based decision making is devoid of politics.
All this stupidity has to stop and if I can do just one little bit to stop it by commenting as I do, I will continue to do so, as long as I draw breath.
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You probably realise that trying to have a rational debate with sneak'n is an exercise in futility. He has a fundamentalist belief in man-made global warming and his acceptance of "the science" is as fixated as a creationist's belief in the old testament.
This is a clear case of common sense and fundamentalism being not compatible.
Oh dear, Rederob, despite your woeful tendency to discredit those who disagree with you, I usually take pleasure in your posts because they are literate.You do know this anyway, and simply wish to stir the pot, as I see is your want.
I don't have any real agenda, I enjoy life and the earth. I leave shopping trolleys back where they should go, and I don't litter and I grow vegies and fruit, and work, try to be nice within the limits of my personality and believe in a strong and independent Australia.
So I am just an ordinary garpal.
I do have a detestation of humbuggery and a lack of evidence for this Weather nonsense, as all that I have read does not lead me to conclusively believe in it.
I also find that those who push the Climate change line are the same old lefties who over the years have come up with objection after objection to progress.
I am not a scientist and am as entitled to voice my opinion on this as much as the next garpal particularly when my country is led by an Alabama hating nerd who had a bald minister who wasted millions of my taxes on this stupid, stupid nonsense by electrifying little old ladies ceilings.
All this stupidity has to stop and if I can do just one little bit to stop it by commenting as I do, I will continue to do so, as long as I draw breath.
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Hence the logic of taking a position of agnosticism.You have confused two matters in belief and conclusiveness. Belief does not imply a demand of evidence beyond reasonable doubt. In this regard climate science is pointing us towards probabilities rather than definitive near term outcomes.
How is your conclusion 'evidence based'? If it were, there would be no room for disagreement. Your final sentence is in opposition to your earlier comment.The problem we have is that in this realm of probabilities there is a likely tipping point: A point where the physics takes over and our beliefs are left in its wake.
I can't share that view as evidence based decision making is devoid of politics.
Your inference is not valid. Mr L would accuse you of constructing a straw man argument.How is your conclusion 'evidence based'? If it were, there would be no room for disagreement. Your final sentence is in opposition to your earlier comment.
No I wouldn't, because it isn't.Your inference is not valid. Mr L would accuse you of constructing a straw man argument.
Climate science is important to discuss, but as this thread is about resisting climate hysteria, it is secondary in this thread. It is evident in a thousand other places, and particularly in light of recent revelations that pro co2 based AGW "science" is mostly junk.If you and others wish to discuss climate science I am pleased to do so.
Well, we all realise that you would be grateful if we ignored your previous ASF incarnation. But the syntax of your postings, the not so subtle hint in your new user name, and on obvious grudge are so marked, that it betrays your true identity faithfully.If you and others wish to pursue rederob, I would be grateful if that chase occurred elsewhere.
Don't forget that we are traders, we have trained to see patterns.
Global warming induced by the continued population explosion will not go away. Patterns maybe, but the obvious trend you seem to miss Champ, and science or no science.
As I made no such remark, and could draw no conclusion, Julia simply created an argument of her choosing to respond to.No I wouldn't, because it isn't.
The hysteria is where?Climate science is important to discuss, but as this thread is about resisting climate hysteria, it is secondary in this thread. It is evident in a thousand other places, and particularly in light of recent revelations that pro co2 based AGW "science" is mostly junk.
What is the party line?If one wishes to discuss climate change, that's fine, but it is irritating when those such as yourself toe the party line so faithfully in denial of the full range of information out there. An analysis of the science reveals that much of it is constructed to achieve a desired result and/or leaping to conclusions not backed by the data.... a scientific non-sequitur.
Only because you believe this. The scientific forums where peer reviewed material is presented are devoid of politicians, and the politics is more about who is next Chair.As above, politics is intrinsic to the discussion.
Tilling your wonted ground to no avail! There is no "grudge", and there is barely a debate when it comes to your posts as there is nothing to progress. Dare I ask again that you add something of substance?Well, we all realise that you would be grateful if we ignored your previous ASF incarnation. But the syntax of your postings, the not so subtle hint in your new user name, and on obvious grudge are so marked, that it betrays your true identity faithfully.
Global warming induced by the continued population explosion will not go away. Patterns maybe, but the obvious trend you seem to miss Champ, and science or no science.
The hysteria is where?
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