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In my experience, the common factor across "successful schools" lies more in the fact that they value self-respect and discipline, rather than religious doctrine. That set of values can prevail in a public school just as easily as it can in a private one
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Indeed so, but as someone pointed out public schools cannot choose their students and what do they do if there is a disruptive element ?

I don't know what the rules are but can these students be expelled ? If so where do they go ? It would seem that it would be a lot harder to maintain standards in a public school than a private one.
 
SirRumpole said:
Indeed so, but as someone pointed out public schools cannot choose their students and what do they do if there is a disruptive element ?

I don't know what the rules are but can these students be expelled ? If so where do they go ? It would seem that it would be a lot harder to maintain standards in a public school than a private one.
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This might be true, but it's not due to the religions is it, a secular school given all the various advantages eg more resources, ability to screen pupils, parents that care a bit more than average etc etc would be likely to be better than average also.
 
SirRumpole said:
Indeed so, but as someone pointed out public schools cannot choose their students and what do they do if there is a disruptive element ?

I don't know what the rules are but can these students be expelled ? If so where do they go ? It would seem that it would be a lot harder to maintain standards in a public school than a private one.
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I think if you're expelled from one school you can go to another public school with a note attached so the new principal can keep a close watch on you.
 
Value Collector said:
This might be true, but it's not due to the religions is it, a secular school given all the various advantages eg more resources, ability to screen pupils, parents that care a bit more than average etc etc would be likely to be better than average also.
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I'd be more impressed if a school can take an disinterested student and turn them into a scholar. Beats picking the already hardworking and well resourced kid with extra tutors on the side, then take all the credit for the kid's achievements.

But of course schools are not out there to impress me.
 
Value Collector said:
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Thanks.

He actually does sleep with a bucket full of planet cutouts.

Incredible the things they can learn and know. Say, there's a planet called Gluto... he was complaining that I missed out a dwarf planet Gluto; I point to Pluto and said there, I didn't missed it; No, Gluto; There! Pluto, what do you mean I miss it? Good thing big sister was around and have seen the same video - that could go on for a while :D
 
Tisme said:
So Tarzan and Mowgli would have been genius scientists?
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the gents meant science as an enquiring mind, one that asks questions and find answers through what was taught to them, what they have learnt... try and keep what works, keep what explains their surrounding the best.

So yes, if they can become king of the jungle they already know science... Not the lab coat and chemistry kind maybe, but still science.

But I have a feeling you already knew that :cautious:
 
cynic said:
I've often been impressed by the inventions of the Eastern world, whilst at the same time dismayed by the way that the western world is so quick to steal the credit after finally catching on to the usefulness of such innovations.
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What innovations? :D

Humans! We're all ethnocentric like that I think - the Westerners more so because most think the White skin make them more superior. That and a lot of money also drive the point home with the poorer coloured folks.

So take the discussion on the existence of God... On Western forums it'd be about whether the Abrahamic God exists or not, if not then it's obviously evolution and no other Creator.

Maybe on an Indian or Chinese forum they'd discuss Shiva and whether Mao would have done what the current glorious leaders of the people would or not.
 
Value Collector said:
This might be true, but it's not due to the religions is it, a secular school given all the various advantages eg more resources, ability to screen pupils, parents that care a bit more than average etc etc would be likely to be better than average also.
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How many private non religious schools are there ?

This article indicates most private schools are religion based.

http://isca.edu.au/about-independent-schools/
 
What you are trying to do, VC, is full of rules, breaking down Western Culture, and re-writing history.
Anarchy -- a state of confusion and chaos -- yes, that would be about right.
Dystopia.

That text came from an athiest, Brendan O'Neill.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=29402&page=30&p=885852&viewfull=1#post885852

As I said, I find it amazing that these people that preach Science, see an orderly universe, yet want to impinge their disorderly lifestyle on us.
If the universe was not orderly, it would not survive.
Exactly why our laws were set up as they are.
STRAIGHT lines, orderly, not crooked ones.

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An interesting site -

http://biosemiosis.org/
 
Hello All

I followed a track-back from my webpage and ended up here, in Australia. Thanks for the link.

Interesting conversation about science, religion, and ultimate reality.

I don't typically involve Biosemiosis.org in social-political dialogue, and I do not wish to intrude. But if I may, I would offer a short paragraph from a page entitled “Why is this important”. I think it reflects some of the comments I’ve read on this thread.

On Biosemiosis.org, we counsel average citizens -- often weary of the constant culture war -- to learn as much as they can about the issues, and to simply be fair and wise:

1. Science cannot answer the questions of ultimate reality

The creation of space and time at the origin of the universe is an event forever hidden in the deep unobservable past. We are likely to never know, with any objective certainty, what the source of this event was. The same is true of the origin of life, the rise of consciousness, and the basis of free will. While it is entirely normal that we would want conclusive answers to these great questions, what we are actually left with is simply existence as we find it. From that, we can pursue discoveries with passion, and hope to have the wisdom to understand what the universe is telling us.

Consequently, the constant implication (by many popularizers of science) that science has answered these questions (or is on the verge of answering these questions) is unethical and cavalier with regard to the evidence. The impetus for this cavalier conduct is highly questionable, particularly given the fact that the output of this conduct isn’t an advancement on a cure for cancer or cleaner air over our cities – which are the actual hopes and dreams of the public who pays for science – but is most often social, political, and even legal in nature.

As it turns out, the greatest consequence of these questions is how we as groups and individuals choose to treat each other. This fact only underscores the necessity that we understand the limits of our knowledge, and call upon ourselves to respect rationality and intellectual freedom among all people.
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If you'd like, you can read the entire article here: Why is this Important?


Again, thanks!
 
luutzu said:
probably not sliced bread.

They're currently also very good at fake food, and rusting stainless steel.
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Yeah well I don't subscribe to the Chinese inventing anything much more than any civilisation has. Gunpowder was a quackery concoction made for medicinal use (no one with any nous ever extols the virtues of tiger penis, shark fins, etc for some reason) that resulted in a fire which burnt the witchdoctors humpy down.,,,as legend would have it.

The Greeks documented the use of lodestones as compass in the 6th century BC, not the 9th century AD, paper was being made by Egyptians way before the 6th century AD and I'd wager the Greek Fire no one knows the recipe of was actually saltpetre, sulphur and charcoal. Blocks for letters is hardly printing press stuff either; ask any kid with an elephant stamp.

Sliced bread is a Tip Top invention or Chinese?
 
Tisme said:
Yeah well I don't subscribe to the Chinese inventing anything much more than any civilisation has. Gunpowder was a quackery concoction made for medicinal use (no one with any nous ever extols the virtues of tiger penis, shark fins, etc for some reason) that resulted in a fire which burnt the witchdoctors humpy down.,,,as legend would have it.

The Greeks documented the use of lodestones as compass in the 6th century BC, not the 9th century AD, paper was being made by Egyptians way before the 6th century AD and I'd wager the Greek Fire no one knows the recipe of was actually saltpetre, sulphur and charcoal. Blocks for letters is hardly printing press stuff either; ask any kid with an elephant stamp.

Sliced bread is a Tip Top invention or Chinese?
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How many inventions came about through accidents?
The entire field of Chemistry was an attempt to turn lead or rock into Gold.

Beside fireworks, pretty sure they also put it to use fighting and invading other states too.

Printing wasn't just block stamps. They printed books and pr0n with it too. Beats the boring Bible for sure.


While they didn't invent imperialism and power projection, under the Ming they did sent a few junk fleets around the known world, mapping and readying for civilising it. Until that and other projects sent them broke. Maybe we could learn a thing or two about that. Unless all the money in the world are just fake paper stuff we put value to.
 
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