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Tisme said:
God will visit him in the night
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Hahaha, You know anyone that's debated theists knows that comments like this means that the theist has nothing to say to support their beliefs.

Eventually he'll get old and fat, vote Liberal and wear a tartan cheesecutter to cover his bald pate and a paisley shirt, God will visit him in the night and VC will still argue the toss that gays are just like everyone else. :D
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Yeah, I will get old, but by then you will be dead, and your bigoted opinions will be even more irrelevant than they are now, you will be on the wrong side of history, people like you will be looked back on with embarrassment.:xyxthumbs
 
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=15&p=895377&viewfull=1#post895377

From the Christmas thread...

Your messiah disagrees with you....

What could 'against something worse' be?


In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings,” Dawkins said. “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

“I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse,” he said.

Although the text originated in 2010, it has taken on a second life, being sent to and fro on Facebook and Twitter and providing fodder for discussions, even among atheists, of the benefits of Christianity for modern society.
 
Tink said:
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=15&p=895377&viewfull=1#post895377

From the Christmas thread...

Your messiah disagrees with you....

What could 'against something worse' be?


In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings,” Dawkins said. “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

“I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse,” he said.

Although the text originated in 2010, it has taken on a second life, being sent to and fro on Facebook and Twitter and providing fodder for discussions, even among atheists, of the benefits of Christianity for modern society.
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Do you have a link to the full original text or video from which these snippets were taken,

SirRumpole said:
Can't wait to see what VC says about that !
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Well, offcourse if it were a choice between having a person believe the teachings of a radical islam group or the teachings of moderate Christian group then offcourse I would choose the moderate Christian group, it could also go the other way, I would probably prefer the teachings of a moderate islam group to a radical Christian group also.

However the lessor of two evils is still evil, and I would much prefer the person avoid both religions and accept reality, think rationally and understand the principles of humanism and real world morality.

From the Christmas thread...

Your messiah disagrees with you....

What could 'against something worse' be?
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Tink, I have no idea which part of the linked thread page you are refering to
 
The text is here.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...christianity-bulwark-against-something-worse/

So what does he mean by -- against something worse?
Communism?
Islam?

Our country is already based on Christianity.
We live in a Christian Culture.
Our biblical worldview that set up the laws - our Christian Bible.

Our DNA, codes, language, information that we have learned,
I say our Creator/God, you say differently.
 
Tink said:
The text is here.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...christianity-bulwark-against-something-worse/

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No Tink, that is an article that quotes parts of the text, I would like to see the full original Richards Dawkins interview or text he wrote, not a commentary containing only quotes.

So what does he mean by -- against something worse?
Communism?
Islam?
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Communism, why would you think he is talking about communism, you seem obsessed with communism.

He is talking about religion, so the "something worse", is a worse religion.

Our country is already based on Christianity.
We live in a Christian Culture.
Our biblical worldview that set up the laws - our Christian Bible
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You seem to always ignore that our laws provide freedom of and from religion.

Christianity is not mentioned in the constitution at all, neither is Jesus or the bible.


Our DNA, codes, language, information that we have learned,
I say our Creator/God, you say differently
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What about DNA implies a god, have you put much effort into finding out whether you beliefs are true?
 
Tink said:
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=15&p=895377&viewfull=1#post895377

From the Christmas thread...

Your messiah disagrees with you....

What could 'against something worse' be?


In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings,” Dawkins said. “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

“I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse,” he said.

Although the text originated in 2010, it has taken on a second life, being sent to and fro on Facebook and Twitter and providing fodder for discussions, even among atheists, of the benefits of Christianity for modern society.
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I don't know what the fuss is here. Dawkins has always held the view that Christianity, because it went through a reformation, is not in the same league as Islam. It was hardly a rare moment, as the author said, but something Dawkins has frequently opined in his many discussions.

Although he regards some of the teachings of Jesus Christ as good for society (do unto others etc., caring for the poor) they are in his opinion hardly unique (Buddha had expressed the same centuries before) and do not in any way prove either the existence of Jesus or that he is God. However, he doesn't hold back when discussing the teachings/laws of the God of the old testament.

He has always waxed lyrical about his Anglican upbringing, saying how he regarded it as the most benign Christian denomination. He has also expressed his appreciation of some of the great artistic works attributed to Christianity, none of which as he says, prove anything about the existence of Jesus or a God.

I think the only thing revealing about this article and in a way about those who think this is a sensational admission on Dawkins behalf is what it reveals about those people themselves. They have obviously read little of Dawkins or heard little of what he has said in his numerous interviews and talks and have let their opinion be influenced by those in the media who are more interested in labelling Dawkins as some sort of weird extremist than in listening to what he has to say.

As to the question: what could the something worse be. Simply, Islam.
 
SirRumpole said:
That's a pretty wide statement, maybe better to say radical Islam is worse.
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Radical Islam is worse than Islam which is worse than Christianity (that form Dawkins was referring to in the article we are discussing).

When one says radical Islam, one immediately thinks of ISIS and the Taliban. But Islam as practised in the Arab world (Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen in particular), in Iran and also in the 'stans' (Pakistan, Afghanistan) is barbaric when compared to the customs and norms of a typical Western Christian country, yet one doesn't refer to them as radical. Even Indonesia, long regarded as a moderate Islamic country, allows Sharia Law in Aceh province. Women (also men) are whipped there on a regular basis for falling foul of Sharia Law.

Quoting Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan: In fact, there is only One Prophet Muhammad, and there is only One Allah, and there is only One Quran, and there is amongst Muslims only One Islam, hence there can be Only One Muslim. A Moderate Muslim is an oxymoron because there is no such thing as a “Moderate Islam.”

What we often regard as moderate Islam is what the following article describes as Cultural Islam.

Cultural Muslims are religiously unobservant, secular or irreligious individuals who still identify with the Muslim culture due to family background, personal experiences, or the social and cultural environment in which they grew up.

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/abdulmuhd...am-is-an-insult-to-islam-the-cultural-muslim/
 
bellenuit said:
Radical Islam is worse than Islam which is worse than Christianity (that form Dawkins was referring to in the article we are discussing).

When one says radical Islam, one immediately thinks of ISIS and the Taliban. But Islam as practised in the Arab world (Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen in particular), in Iran and also in the 'stans' (Pakistan, Afghanistan) is barbaric when compared to the customs and norms of a typical Western Christian country, yet one doesn't refer to them as radical. Even Indonesia, long regarded as a moderate Islamic country, allows Sharia Law in Aceh province. Women (also men) are whipped there on a regular basis for falling foul of Sharia Law.

Quoting Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan: In fact, there is only One Prophet Muhammad, and there is only One Allah, and there is only One Quran, and there is amongst Muslims only One Islam, hence there can be Only One Muslim. A Moderate Muslim is an oxymoron because there is no such thing as a “Moderate Islam.”

What we often regard as moderate Islam is what the following article describes as Cultural Islam.

Cultural Muslims are religiously unobservant, secular or irreligious individuals who still identify with the Muslim culture due to family background, personal experiences, or the social and cultural environment in which they grew up.

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/abdulmuhd...am-is-an-insult-to-islam-the-cultural-muslim/
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So are you saying we should close our borders to immigrants from Muslim countries because they could all be terrorists ?

Personally I feel that we should take much less people and on a necessary skills basis only, no family reunions and people should pay a $200,000 deposit before they come so we know they are not going to be reliant on welfare.
 
SirRumpole said:
Speculation of course, but this article implies that aliens could have implanted messages in our "junk" DNA.

Don't know why they picked aliens, maybe they are more believable than a creator.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_adn06.htm
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Firstly the idea that our junk DNA has messages is rediculous.

However, if it was a choice between believeing in aliens or believeing in gods, aliens are far more likely to exist.

We have no evidence of any gods existing, but we have plenty of evidence of life existing in the universe, planet earth itself is proof that life exists and evolves in the universe, we humans are proof of intelligent life, it's not a big step to accept that what has happened on earth has probably happened in other places in the universe.

Believeing in gods is much more difficult, we have no examples of any gods existing, or even that it's possible for something so complex to exist, let alone exist outside of space and time.
 
bellenuit said:
I don't know what the fuss is here. Dawkins has always held the view that Christianity, because it went through a reformation, is not in the same league as Islam. It was hardly a rare moment, as the author said, but something Dawkins has frequently opined in his many discussions.

Although he regards some of the teachings of Jesus Christ as good for society (do unto others etc., caring for the poor) they are in his opinion hardly unique (Buddha had expressed the same centuries before) and do not in any way prove either the existence of Jesus or that he is God. However, he doesn't hold back when discussing the teachings/laws of the God of the old testament.

He has always waxed lyrical about his Anglican upbringing, saying how he regarded it as the most benign Christian denomination. He has also expressed his appreciation of some of the great artistic works attributed to Christianity, none of which as he says, prove anything about the existence of Jesus or a God.

I think the only thing revealing about this article and in a way about those who think this is a sensational admission on Dawkins behalf is what it reveals about those people themselves. They have obviously read little of Dawkins or heard little of what he has said in his numerous interviews and talks and have let their opinion be influenced by those in the media who are more interested in labelling Dawkins as some sort of weird extremist than in listening to what he has to say.

As to the question: what could the something worse be. Simply, Islam.
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True, I do find it funny that Tink seems to hate Dawkins with a passion, when he out of all the outspoken atheists speaks of some of the positive impacts of Christianity most frequently, his main beef with Christianity is with the fundamentalists who want to teach phony science etc. or want to ignore science and teach creation myths instead.
 
Value Collector said:
Firstly the idea that our junk DNA has messages is rediculous.

However, if it was a choice between believeing in aliens or believeing in gods, aliens are far more likely to exist.

We have no evidence of any gods existing, but we have plenty of evidence of life existing in the universe, planet earth itself is proof that life exists and evolves in the universe, we humans are proof of intelligent life, it's not a big step to accept that what has happened on earth has probably happened in other places in the universe.

Believeing in gods is much more difficult, we have no examples of any gods existing, or even that it's possible for something so complex to exist, let alone exist outside of space and time.
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Take it you haven't seen Prometheus? :D

Aliens and God/Creator are one and the same.
 
luutzu said:
Take it you haven't seen Prometheus? :D

Aliens and God/Creator are one and the same.
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When people say "God", I think of a being living outside of time and space, that created to universe, and was there before the universe existed.

When people say "alien", I think of an intelligent living organism that has evolved (as we have) over millions of years of evolution, in some other part of the Galaxy/universe. Any species that has evolved inside the universe, can't be the creator of the universe.

If the arrguement is that life on earth was seeded of genetically engineered by an alien, then that alien isn't a god, it's a scientist, but I can't think of any evidence that suggests that's likely anyway,
 
Value Collector said:
When people say "God", I think of a being living outside of time and space, that created to universe, and was there before the universe existed.

When people say "alien", I think of an intelligent living organism that has evolved (as we have) over millions of years of evolution, in some other part of the Galaxy/universe. Any species that has evolved inside the universe, can't be the creator of the universe.

If the arrguement is that life on earth was seeded of genetically engineered by an alien, then that alien isn't a god, it's a scientist, but I can't think of any evidence that suggests that's likely anyway,
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You really have thought this thing through haven't you?

Oh yea, I remember from Noah how God was meant to actually have created the entire universe, not just Earth and Earthlings.

Putting it your way, aren't you just being polite to say that you can't prove God doesn't exist?

Is there really another universe out there where God and His kind exists and all the galaxies and stuff within our huge post Big Bang just his creation?


Our 3.5 year old have been asking us to draw and cut out the solar system for him (3 times a day, two months now). It's cheap so I don't mind, and the kid could be kept busy for at least an hour afterwards playing with the planets.

One of his favourite youtube video show Earth in relation to the entire solar system, then relative to the various known stars.. and there is a star that scientist have discovered so far where if a half of it takes up half an iPad our Earth is probably a pixel.

So if God did create the entire universe, one with thousands of stars of similar size like that... us Earthlings are probably way too insignificant for the Man to be passing messages thru one of the guys who happen to only live in the ME.. .and if I'm God I'd probably won't know how to find Earth to send my only Son down to.
 
Thanks, Bellenuit.

I know there are some things we agree with, and some we don't.
I don't agree with throwing out the baby with the bathwater (Christianity, that created what we have).
Decency, respect, families, all the things this country was built on, that I have mentioned through my posts.
The beauty in things, appreciation, gratitude, sacrifice, honour.

Our Western Culture/Christian Culture

I believe in freedom of speech, and I think Richard Dawkins is realising he is losing it in the environment he is in.
An environment that sadly he has created.
You know what they say, you don't realise how lucky you had it until it is gone.
We won't realise how much Christianity did contribute, until it is gone.

Political Correctness is closing down any attempt of people talking.
He has destroyed his own country, not just him, others too.

I don't agree with his beliefs, and they are beliefs, because God cannot be disproven, and I don't agree with what he has done, but I did hear he stood up for Christianity in the university, and he said that if people can't cope with listening and learning, then don't come to university.
University is a place of learning.
They are losing grasp of any reality, in my view.

As I have said, they are happy to take on the Rhode scholarship, but they want the man/statue removed.
The left are so hypocritical.
They have no sense of gratitude for the good, they have become a pack of whiny, whingy victims, and it is all about themselves, nothing else.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=29402&page=30&p=885852&viewfull=1#post885852

Communism/Lawlessness, is the same thing, VC.
If you want to get rid of what this country was built on, you only have a few options.

I have said this before, our universe is orderly, you wouldn't be able to do any of your scientific testing if it wasn't orderly.
Straight lines.
Just like our laws, that have been created.
People that talk about science don't really run it right through, do they?
Half baked jobs.

No one is telling you to believe in a God, but this is where it all came from.

I find it amazing that these people that talk about science, see an orderly universe, but they want to create a disorderly environment for us to live in.
 
Value Collector said:
Hahaha, You know anyone that's debated theists knows that comments like this means that the theist has nothing to say to support their beliefs.



Yeah, I will get old, but by then you will be dead, and your bigoted opinions will be even more irrelevant than they are now, you will be on the wrong side of history, people like you will be looked back on with embarrassment.:xyxthumbs
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That's not very nice VC. I give you a free fortune telling and what do I get, but brickbats. :D

I'm not judging you VC, just saying you are a walking anachronism of the cliche period, when everyone had a pet homosexual friend they could parade as proof of their 1990's egalitarianism. You're just caught in a time warp from a period that most people would like to forget.:rolleyes:
 
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