Value Collector
Have courage, and be kind.
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It is a religious conviction, your version of the after life just happens to be from your own personal religion you have made up for your self.
Again, it irks me that people think belief in life after death needs to be a "religious" conviction.
Religions don't own that concept. They have their idea of what an afterlife means, Hell and Damnation or sitting around on clouds playing harps depending on whether you believe in "their' God or not. I don't agree with those silly ideas. A continual progression through many lives learning as we go seems more sensible to me. More of a Buddhist approach.
And before you say Buddhism is a religion, it's not, it's a philosophy.
It is a religious conviction, your version of the after life just happens to be from your own personal religion you have made up for your self.
Name the "religion" you say I'm associated with ?
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What religious "Laws" do I observe ?
Whose God do I worship ?
If you think you can denigrate someone just by calling them religious, that is a pretty poor argument
Value Collector said:There is various levels of religious behaviour, not all religious people have to bow down and pray ever few hours in like the Muslims do.
That you are an apologist for religion, its institutions and the religious in general is abundantly clear from your posts here. Not openly aligning oneself with any particular religious tradition but claiming such traditions are useful panderers to the fraud that religion perpetrates on human society - fiction masquerading as absolute truth.Name the "religion" you say I'm associated with ?
The largest amount of people killed were by atheists.
We have been through this already.
Please name one atheist that has killed for the strict reason he was promoting atheism? (and please don't confuse antitheists with atheists, they are two different things)
That you are an apologist for religion, its institutions and the religious in general is abundantly clear from your posts here.
Oh I see.
Well in that case, you support gay marriage, so you are obviously gay, in one way or another.
You don't just support peoples right to have a religion, you have told me you actually believe in a creator and an after life, and that you will be responsible for your actions here. that is you partaking in religious beliefs, not just supporting others rights to hold them.
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In relation to my personal sexual preferences, I happen to be heterosexual, not that it matters at all to this conversation.
Not at all...I think you confuse the terms "fair minded" and "apologist".
Where religious belief does not intrude on society in the form of laws, government, freedoms, make claims of moral superiority or undermine the pursuit of science and have an impact human wellbeing in general then it does not warrant much attention. Otherwise, what people believe based on bad or no evidence but assert as absolute truth that must be applied to all must be challenged or theocracy and its ideals will prevail.And what the f*** does it matter to you what other people believe?
Not at all...
Apologist
1. a person who makes a defence in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.
"Partaking in religious beliefs"
I only go to church for weddings and funerals
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I don't pray
I don't believe that God intervenes in my life
I never read religious texts
Religion is not simply a belief in a God or afterlife, it's following a set of rules laid down by religious texts, which I don't.
If I am a religious person in your eyes, then I'm a very poor example of such
That's all I am saying, Some one with your set of beliefs, can not say they are non religious, maybe they can say less religious.
No, that's not what an apologist is. I gave you the definition, creating a self-styled definition to suit your argument is intellectual dishonesty.If you have read all my posts you will know that I have criticised religion a lot. An apologist is one who only says good things about a person, action or idea. A fair minded person is one who can see the good and bad sides of an argument. I don't think you fall into the latter category.
No, that's not what an apologist is. I gave you the definition, creating a self-styled definition to suit your argument is intellectual dishonesty.
Fair-mindedness implies impartial or unprejudiced argument. I have studied and considered the argument for religion quite carefully for many years and come to the conclusion that it's largely a fraud and unjustified strong belief in myth and legend. So you're wrong on both counts Rumpole.
Ok, so given my beliefs that I have described, do they make me a target for all the scorn you have put on "other" religions ?
If I was a politician are my beliefs likely to interfere in any way with the way you or others run their lives ?
You have always used the word "religion" as a perjorative and I'd just like to know if anyone can have beliefs that you call "religious" (but I don't) without adhering to all the evil that you ascribe to religion
Ok, so when I see the "Atheist Army" out on the streets feeding the poor, then maybe I'll believe that religion serves no good purpose.
Are you saying that atheists don't do charity work?
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