Value Collector
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Talking about speeches.
The hall of presidents show at Disney world features a lot of the great speeches that helped build America
Speechs don't do anything ?
Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, Trump., Mao ?
The point of a powerful, passionate speech is to move people. To make them want to follow your lead. To bring into reality the world you are envisioning.
It can be noble or nasty. Cooperative or despotic. But words are weapons. Why else did the forces behind the Christchurch murderer enable a Manifesto to be written and widely publicised ?
Yes, only you would contend that telling soldiers to die so that liberty does not perish has no militaristic sense - hardly credible.Imo while he seems to be talking to soldiers to fight for liberty, I took it as fighting for liberty and not in the militaristic sense.
Again, you missed the points as made. Chaplin separately addresses these senses during his speech.Had double meaning. One that had to be used for the times (war against nazis) and the greater meaning of not killing your fellow man but fighting for freedom of the people from those that are in control. (I'm not up to speed on Chaplin history though). And if we look at it as if it talks directly to the soldiers, its hypocrisy.
If you had basic comprehension skills you would have picked his quite separate senses.But it is a great way to get people roused enough to go die for a cause. Even if misused. In the end Germany ended up in slavery.
No you are absolutely right. Words are powerful. Powerful enough that (screw liberties) people need to be censored. Anyone republishing speech we don't like needs to be jailed (at least 6 years).In my view MoXjo you undervalue the effect of powerful speakers and ideas. Churchills' speeches saying England would fight till the end, on the beaches ect were key elements in keeping support for a war that seemed lost.
Roosevelt fireside chats during the Depression were ongoing efforts to reassure a nation that was seeing it's whole future disappearing in bankruptcy and unemployment.
Hitlers speeches were epic. They were crafted and polished to bring a nation on the road to a 1000 year Reich.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/churchills-greatest-speeches/
Mmm hmmYes, only you would contend that telling soldiers to die so that liberty does not perish has no militaristic sense - hardly credible.
Again, you missed the points as made. Chaplin separately addresses these senses during his speech.
You keep inventing your own narrative.
If you had basic comprehension skills you would have picked his quite separate senses.
In the end (as meaning now and the case for several decades) Germany became the economic and industrial powerhouse of Europe.
But I guess you will again twist what you want to believe what you like.
Yes, only you would contend that telling soldiers to die so that liberty does not perish has no militaristic sense - hardly credible.
Again, you missed the points as made. Chaplin separately addresses these senses during his speech.
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No bites?Read it again as is written.
Sorry to hear that Wayne.Hope you will be OKI'm going to be AWOL for a while gents. Possibly an upcoming bereavement so don't feel much like arguing.
Hasta la vista.
I'm going to be AWOL for a while gents. Possibly an upcoming bereavement so don't feel much like arguing.
Hasta la vista.
Read it again as is written.
You simply do not get it, do you.No bites?
Fine.... Chaplain was a pacifist even met Ghandi. Refused to enlist etc. You still want to reduce his speech to kill nazis?
Not fight and die in wars champ. He was a pacifist. Read his speech.You simply do not get it, do you.
This was about democracy.
That to preserve it we have soldiers willing to commit themselves to fight.
The first half of Chaplin's speech was about the values we all should hold dear, and about those trying to suppress them.
The obvious backdrop of Nazism was convenient, and as Hitler borrowed Chaplin's famous moustache, it was doubly useful to mock him.
Chaplin could just have easily referenced Stalin's pogroms, or his liquidation of kulaks in the early 1930s. But Chaplin bore no resemblance to Stalin.
Ohhh.....I get it.You simply do not get it, do you.
You have yet to make a point which is credible.Not fight and die in wars champ. He was a pacifist. Read his speech.
Comprehension is apparently your strong point.
Can you quote that part of the speech.You have yet to make a point which is credible.
He clearly intends through his speech that men should be willing to die for democracy.
That dies not conform with pacifism.
You need to separate Chaplin as a person in real life from his movie role.
You clutch at straws, invent new meanings, and deny the obvious.
Well, islamist suicide bombers killing infidels in the blast have a straight path to heavenYou may be surprised that the 3 main religions regard suicide (not in all instances though) as a highly selfish act, likened to murder, and worthy of eternal perdition . And this is what quite a few people -even on this forum – think , so should be pointed out.
There is definitely something selfish to ending your life imo, if it's not going how you want it to go.
Augustine (City of God from memory) provides a different perspective .
He clearly intends through his speech that men should be willing to die for democracy.
You missed everything pertinent.Oh wait I missed the "intends".
Just like to shake trees.You missed everything pertinent.
You make up what you want to believe and convince yourself that it's sensible.
You should re-read some of your comments for a guide on how not to present a case.
That would seem to be a kind of military operation. The Japanese did that as well.Well, islamist suicide bombers killing infidels in the blast have a straight path to heaven
Yet it is suicide isn't it?
Suicide is frown on but murder suicide celebrated
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