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bellenuit said:
Matt Dillahunty - Thoughts on his conversation with Jordan Peterson

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I'm sure he articulated his thoughts well when he had Jordan around, or is he explaining his superior being in his absence, sans a counter attack?
 
Value Collector said:
Here is a video explaining the periodic table and how it allowed science to know certain chemical elements existed and even know their properties and even give them a name long before they were discovered in nature.

This is kind of how I see the dark matter studies, we are gather data and making prediction based on known facts, even though we haven't discovered exactly what it is yet.

Thats a lot different to a religious claim that is not backed with any evidence at all.

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I'm having trouble with this video

viz

aluminium is 13

68 is Erbian discovered by Carl Gustav Mosander in 1843.

Gallium is element 31
 
bellenuit said:
Matt Dillahunty - Thoughts on his conversation with Jordan Peterson

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This video is a fine example of observations opined very recently in another thread. Namely:
...the self proclaimed "secular moralists" of this world, would perhaps benefit, by first defining the premise/s upon which their precious theories are founded.
That way they will be less likely to render themselves foolish, with premature self congratulations and proud parading of elitist delusions.
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The following is an article by a person whom identifies as a "secular humanist".
http://reasonrevolution.org/my-disa...tt-dillahunty-and-jordan-peterson-discussion/
Whilst I do not necessarily share all views expressed, I found the evident willingness to openly,and critically, examine theistic and secular perspectives alike, to be a refreshingly welcome change from the antitheistic rhetoric, that so often dribbles from the lips, of those proudly claiming the "secular" humanist/moralist label.
 
Sheelah Rudman: 104 and happy to live, with still so much to give

In reflection of her 104th birthday, Sheelah Alice Rudman says the formula to a happy long life is good health and strong faith in the ubiquitous Lord.

The Lathlain resident and Cloverdale parishioner has lived through both World Wars, 10 Popes, six Archbishops of Perth, and overcame infantile paralysis.

When she was born on 19 April 1914, St Pius X was Pope and Archbishop Patrick Clune was Archbishop of Perth.

In an interview with The eRecord, Sheelah puts her positive outlook on life down to God.

“He is very likely looking after me. That’s all I know,” she said, pointing to the sky.

Sheelah is a popular figure at Cloverdale Parish Notre Dame Catholic Church, where her fellow parishioners took the opportunity to celebrate her birthday after morning Mass on 22 April.

Parish Priest Fr Quynh (Michael) Do presented Sheelah with a handmade birthday card and a bouquet of flowers and cake.

“She is an inspiration to others and a motivation to all of us, reminding us that we can do anything if we work hard at it,” Fr Quynh said.

Sheelah has fond memories of her childhood growing up in the suburb of Northam – it was there where she contracted polio syndrome.

“I was seven when they said I wouldn’t walk again, but here I am.”

Her sheer determination, exercises, and treatment made it possible for her to walk unassisted – and eventually she became recognised as one of her school’s best athletes.

She attended Our Lady’s College – now Mercedes College – on Victoria Square and her daughter Barbara followed suit a few decades later.

“All the nuns who taught mum, taught me,” Barbara said.

Barbara’s wedding with Bruce Walther, celebrated by Mgr Michael Keating at St Mary’s Cathedral on 29 January 2014, was one of Sheelah’s proudest memories.

“I took her hand in my arm and walked her down the aisle,” Sheelah said.

Barbara’s wedding took place 75 years after her parents married at the iconic Cathedral on 16 December 1939.

During WWII, Sheelah was lucky to escape the bombing of Darwin in 1942 when she left the town just three days prior.

The 104-year-old puts her invigorating long life down to: ample sleep, a good sense of humour, keeping her mind active, knitting, and drinking a glass of wine every night.

Sheelah gracefully wears a pearl blister on her right hand that her mother gave to her more than 100 years ago.

Barbara, who is the primary carer of Sheelah, conveyed her mother’s message of advice for those who wish to live a prolonged life.

“Think positive, be thankful for God’s blessings and try to help others as much as you can,” Barbara said.

“This is what has kept Sheelah going for over 104 years and this will keep her going for many more years to come.”

Sheelah underlines the importance of being surrounded by loved ones.

“Be happy with what you’re doing, have interests in life; and have many good, sincere friends.”

http://www.therecord.com.au/news/lo...and-happy-to-live-with-still-so-much-to-give/
 
Tink said:
Sheelah Rudman: 104 and happy to live, with still so much to give

In reflection of her 104th birthday, Sheelah Alice Rudman says the formula to a happy long life is good health and strong faith in the ubiquitous Lord.

The Lathlain resident and Cloverdale parishioner has lived through both World Wars, 10 Popes, six Archbishops of Perth, and overcame infantile paralysis.

When she was born on 19 April 1914, St Pius X was Pope and Archbishop Patrick Clune was Archbishop of Perth.

In an interview with The eRecord, Sheelah puts her positive outlook on life down to God.

“He is very likely looking after me. That’s all I know,” she said, pointing to the sky.

Sheelah is a popular figure at Cloverdale Parish Notre Dame Catholic Church, where her fellow parishioners took the opportunity to celebrate her birthday after morning Mass on 22 April.

Parish Priest Fr Quynh (Michael) Do presented Sheelah with a handmade birthday card and a bouquet of flowers and cake.

“She is an inspiration to others and a motivation to all of us, reminding us that we can do anything if we work hard at it,” Fr Quynh said.

Sheelah has fond memories of her childhood growing up in the suburb of Northam – it was there where she contracted polio syndrome.

“I was seven when they said I wouldn’t walk again, but here I am.”

Her sheer determination, exercises, and treatment made it possible for her to walk unassisted – and eventually she became recognised as one of her school’s best athletes.

She attended Our Lady’s College – now Mercedes College – on Victoria Square and her daughter Barbara followed suit a few decades later.

“All the nuns who taught mum, taught me,” Barbara said.

Barbara’s wedding with Bruce Walther, celebrated by Mgr Michael Keating at St Mary’s Cathedral on 29 January 2014, was one of Sheelah’s proudest memories.

“I took her hand in my arm and walked her down the aisle,” Sheelah said.

Barbara’s wedding took place 75 years after her parents married at the iconic Cathedral on 16 December 1939.

During WWII, Sheelah was lucky to escape the bombing of Darwin in 1942 when she left the town just three days prior.

The 104-year-old puts her invigorating long life down to: ample sleep, a good sense of humour, keeping her mind active, knitting, and drinking a glass of wine every night.

Sheelah gracefully wears a pearl blister on her right hand that her mother gave to her more than 100 years ago.

Barbara, who is the primary carer of Sheelah, conveyed her mother’s message of advice for those who wish to live a prolonged life.

“Think positive, be thankful for God’s blessings and try to help others as much as you can,” Barbara said.

“This is what has kept Sheelah going for over 104 years and this will keep her going for many more years to come.”

Sheelah underlines the importance of being surrounded by loved ones.

“Be happy with what you’re doing, have interests in life; and have many good, sincere friends.”

http://www.therecord.com.au/news/lo...and-happy-to-live-with-still-so-much-to-give/
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Not to pull a VC on you but... :D

If a long and happy life is because of God... those who live short life in poverty and ill health... God weren't paying attention or just got upset at them for some reason?

I think happiness and optimism, good friends etc. goes a long way to longevity... and if happiness mean having faith in the Lord so be it. Just that it's probably not the Lord's blessing but the happiness from the thought of being blessed that does it.
 
luutzu said:
Not to pull a VC on you but... :D

If a long and happy life is because of God... those who live short life in poverty and ill health... God weren't paying attention or just got upset at them for some reason?

I think happiness and optimism, good friends etc. goes a long way to longevity... and if happiness mean having faith in the Lord so be it. Just that it's probably not the Lord's blessing but the happiness from the thought of being blessed that does it.
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Do religious people really live longer? or does it just feel like they do because they spend so much time in boring church services?

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In reality Tink's flaw here is the survivorship bias, Her Data set of 1 person is ignoring all the equally faithful people that died young, some of them because they prayed instead of seeking medical help.

Its like some one that justifies smoking because there is an 88 year old smoker in their street, they are ignoring that 88 year old smoking peers who dropped like flies over the decades, and simply counting the lone survivor.
 
noirua said:
No wonder there’s an exodus from religion
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This phenomenon could also be aligned with personal financial positions. When the economy is flush and jobs aplenty then there is no need to seek divine intervention. :D
 
Wysiwyg said:
This phenomenon could also be aligned with personal financial positions. When the economy is flush and jobs aplenty then there is no need to seek divine intervention. :D
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I think it is due to the rise of the internet, its very hard for people to stay in their bubble now.

They basically only have two choices, accept the nature of reality that there is probably no god, of double down into your religion and become more extreme and claim there is a global conspiracy against you.

This is what we are seeing, massive polarisation, religions are becoming more extreme at the poles and the gap of unbelief in-between the poles is widening.
 
Value Collector said:
They basically only have two choices, accept the nature of reality that there is probably no god, of double down into your religion and become more extreme and claim there is a global conspiracy against you.
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The escape hatches have psychological locks on them. The devil etc. Excommunicating from religion -> what 'is' rather than what 'believed', self realisation, self acceptance, self control, self healing, using all our senses, understanding nature, understanding the workings of mind (prolific lying and deceipt, illusions, ability to achieve great good etc.).

No one person is holier than thou (the next person is flesh and blood too), don't be stood over, you have natural rights.
 
If you meet Buddha on the road to enlightenment, kill him. Well that is my extended version of a koan which meets my attitude.
 
Tink said:
You don't have to agree.
You can go in this thread -

Suicide and Voluntary Euthanasia
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/suicide-and-voluntary-euthanasia.3588/page-29#post-981749
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I found the article linked in this post from noirua, particularly interesting, largely on account of a certain experience the boy apparently had whilst unconscious (or possibly brain dead):
noirua said:
'Brain-dead' US boy regains consciousness one day before doctors set to pull plug
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/wor...iousness-one-day-before-doctors-set-pull-plug
Slowly but surely, Trenton is making strides beyond what anyone expected, but it’s not without a struggle.
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The event is unlikely to sway anti-theists from their religion. Some of those holding beliefs, that are yet to be distilled into religion, might perhaps be willing to enter such events into their consideration when pondering the value of life.
 
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I think religion can definitely make a person's situation happier. For example a devout religious person may see the deliberate act of worrying as going against God's goodness, and try to do it much less. If you believe in a Creator it just makes sense to never worry about anything. If you believe in nothing, then you might (or might not) think that you should worry about something. It sounds nuts but a religious person full of “faith” in a prison cell may find themselves feeling quite happy and carefree, while having brief recurring moments of e.g. mental anguish/deprivation.


Feeling happy is a different thing from having a happy life. A happy life might be where things go to plan and things go well for us most of the time, and you also feel good most of the time I guess. If I reflect on 5 people I know well enough in my life, none of them emanate happiness. And 3 seem troubled much of the time. The other 2 seem okay, although one comes across a little despondent at times.

Just musing, there are people who go around in endless circles. they want something, crazily apply themselves to get it, and then think it's not much of a big deal, then get back on that circle again going round and round. I know one. They are irritable often enough and ultra busy all the time (for many years non- stop).

Anyway, I think we all gotta tough it out until the end .
 
Tisme said:
I'm having trouble with this video

viz

aluminium is 13

68 is Erbian discovered by Carl Gustav Mosander in 1843.

Gallium is element 31
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You are confusing atomic weight with atomic number.

Erbian’s atomic number is 68, it’s atomic weight is not 68, Galliums atomic weight is the closest to 68

Erbian’s atomic weight is 167, not 68 (68 is its atomic number not its atomic weight)
 
Maybe religions are only at an early stage of becoming commercial. Eventually they may circle the Earth in space stations with added options of visiting many planets. Children will be able to go on individual rides in mini-aircraft with numbers - so they can be called in when their time is up.
 
noirua said:
Maybe religions are only at an early stage of becoming commercial. Eventually they may circle the Earth in space stations with added options of visiting many planets. Children will be able to go on individual rides in mini-aircraft with numbers - so they can be called in when their time is up.
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that made me laugh a few times, but I still don't know what it means. can u explain the joke ?

regards your other post, yeah, some people live for money - it's their everything. A person may even want to kill themselves for losing a little bit of money. you may have noticed money can also hold people tightly and that's not a pleasant feeling . we could talk on and on about money i'm sure... and wealth of course is merrily passed onto somebody who never worked for it.
 
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