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It's not a matter of want I want, I'm just saying that so called secular morality derived from religious morality, but atheists don't want to acknowledge that so they made up their own version.
If you don’t want secular morality, which morality do you want? Which brand of religious morality do you want?
My view is that "secular morality" is just a wrapper that atheists put around religious morality in order to deny that religious morality is the basis of our moral system as ingrained into Anglo Saxon society by thousands of years of Church influence.
I suspect, e,g the leader of the Greens, we are seeing 1st/2nd gens who are delighted with their freedom from religious and cultural dogma that pervaded their prior family generations and are going over the top making a mess of the home like a kid with water pistol. Multiculturalism means they just ignore the foundation rules and norms.
You still haven't quite caught onto the problem of "secular moral" definition though, have you?
How is maintaining the wellbeing of anything, whatsoever, morally correct in an accidental universe?
How can the wellbeing of any accident, be deemed to be correct?
How is it derived from religious morality, when secular morality has been the driving force to reduce the immorality of the religious teachings.It's not a matter of want I want, I'm just saying that so called secular morality derived from religious morality, but atheists don't want to acknowledge that so they made up their own version.
How is it derived from religious morality, when secular morality has been the driving force to reduce the immorality of the religious teachings.
Let me ask he question this way.
is there any immoral act that you think can only be shown to be immoral with religion?
Eg it has no secular reasoning against it and therefore requires religion.
Firstly, I have most certainly not conflated scriptural instructions with morality! If you had taken the time to not only read, but to also understand what I have been posting, you would already know this!Because we are thinking creatures that have evolved to care about our own wellbeing and he well being of others.
The very fact that everyone has answered my question about why they care about morality has given real world reasons about protecting themselves and protecting others shows this.
What you haven’t caught onto is that following instructions from a religious text doesn’t make you moral, it makes you amoral.
Firstly, I have most certainly not conflated scriptural instructions with morality! If you had taken the time to not only read, but to also understand what I have been posting, you would already know this!
Secondly, you continually fail to address the problem, namely that of objectively defining correct behaviour in an accidental existence!
So what religious teachings do you consider immoral ?
(Excluding Acts of God).
How is it derived from religious morality, when secular morality has been the driving force to reduce the immorality of the religious teachings.
Religions didn’t invent morality, they highjacked it for their own purposes.
Do you consider adultery to be immoral ? Why ?
Again you are misunderstanding what I am saying! Deities and/or scriptural writings about same, needn't be referenced in this argument.So how do you define what is right and wrong if you say it can only be right or wrong if a god says so, but you aren't reading scriptures or instructions from any said god?
I don't buy into your whole concept of morality requiring a god, it is clear to me that morality is a concept that has been created or discovered by humans because we care about the well being of ourselves and others, but even though it was created or discovered by humans, it is not subjective, becasue our well being is derived from the physical universe eg, whether poison will kill you, so will fire etc these things are not subjective.
There are guys out there that get a real kick out of watching their wife have sex with a stranger, if both the husband, the wife and the stranger are all having a good time, why would it be immoral?
Well, if you are talking about the Law itself, than that verse I quoted (plus some others ) explain it well enough. The Law of ancient Israel which had harsh penalties was designed for a people that lacked morality. We're talking about people who killed their parents, had intercourse with animals, traded slaves. I suppose without it, in there time there would have been chaos everywhere. Side comment: with less and less sexual values , we'd expect more raping and violence to occur (it won't get better).Most of the laws of the OT were immoral in themselves and you cannot fight immorality with immorality. You can explain it away as much as you like because you cannot come to terms with that fact, but any rational person know that the OT was advocating immoral acts.
Distraction. That may be 0.001% of adultery cases, the vast majority are behind a partners back.
But surely the question of morality is irrelevant anyway if there is no penalty attached to it ?
Why not make adultery illegal if we consider it immoral ?
Why is an atheist even considering the question of morality ?
(i)Morality, by its very definition, cannot exist in the absence of purpose, intent or design!
Morality is a consequence of the existence of purpose! Morality is therefore impossible in the accidental existence to which the secularist subscribes!why must it be designed?
why could it not evolve?
or if it must be designed, why can it not be designed by humans? using logic?
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