It's immoral to pile your sin on a scapegoat. It is immoral to think you can free yourself from your crimes just by asking a god for forgiveness. It's immoral to think that anyone else except the victims of your crimes can offer you forgiveness. It's immoral to think once you have gods forgiveness you are free and clear and have no responsibility to make true amends with the victims. the one this lady seems to think she is ok because she asked gods foregiveness sickens me, they way she says shes moved on and it doesn't matter. YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4qCSFF11UY
Then why is it that i have so much trouble believeing there is a god
Genuine repentance isn't a casual excusing yourself from your sin.
I'm so glad that God judges by our heart and not out actions and that a GENUINE change of heart will never be ignored by God. But repentance is a turning away from sin, not just saying "ah who cares".
I'm glad it is the one who sees our HEARTS and MOTIVES who is the ultimate judge, not some judge that has no idea and has to guess!
Nope, its the absence of a religion. Off is not a TV channel and Bald is not a hair colour.
Do you really think that if a violent criminal says "sorry" in his last dying breath, he will go straight to heaven? Do you really think God is that stupid? As Pav said, God can see into everyone's heart and soul and he knows how sincere one is when one claims repentance. God is not a fool.Not to mention that you seem to think accepting jesus to scape goat your sins is more important than your actions and the goodness of your heart. You think someone can live an evil life destroying lives and as long as they have a change of heart and accept gives they are fine, where as I can live a life doing good and being a good person but if I am not convinced of Jesus I go to hell. there is no justice in that.
Where in the bible does it say all this evilness?? There is none.
Where is this mass murder? The bible doesn't consider war to be murder. So you can rule that out. There is nowhere in the bible where God issues an order to commit mass murder.
Maybe the same reason why people struggle to grasp an understanding of any field eg trading. Either they aren't looking for a profitable strategy but a quick dollar, not looking in the right places for the right information or they choose to ignore certain information in favor of already held ideas, not willing to pay the price of what it will cost them etc.
But you said god puts the knowledge in our hearts and so we all already should know, why is it that i doubt the religious stories. also if god really cared and wanted us to believe, why does he hide and why did he make the world appear to have formed in a way that goes against the creation story in e bible.
Can You explain how those things rely on religion, and rely on people believing in the scriptures or rely on the truth of the super natural claims. Those things are good examples of things that do not require religion, Infact there are good examples of how religion has held those things back.
I believe it is possible to gradually cleanse the waters and remove some of the mud. Before doing so, one needs sufficient wisdom to discern the babies from the bathwater. Whereas awareness of our personal fallibility generally gives rise to the prudence that limits mistakes, the arrogant presumption of "knowing" better than others tends to give rise to hasty actions with potentially harmful consequences for all concerned.
As you are already aware, mankind is enjoying many good things that have arisen from a variety of the religious pursuits of mankind.
Whether such things might have been achievable absent religion is a matter of which I am sincerely doubtful and choose not to speculate.
My preference is to work with the best of our accumulated knowledge base in the expectation of gradually improving it.
Seriously?!!
Have you already forgotten the historical origins of surgery and pharmacology?
Can you see how my statement about personal fallibility, and the actions taken by one arrogantly presuming to "know" better, applies to the sentiments you're expressing?
.However you want to spin it, atheism has become a religion ... a religion of hate towards theists. It is a strong belief system or doctrine that there is no God, which is exactly what Satan wants
Atheism has all of the hallmarks of a religious cult, and a very dangerous one at that. Don't try and pass yourselves off as gentle, loving, caring people who just want to live and let live.
The more strident atheists want to push their anti-Christian ideology down everyone's throat and deny young people from atheist environments the opportunity to hear Christ's message.
How can you support people's right to practice their religion but deny them the opportunity to learn about it in the first place in schools, which are the only places most children learn anything about their world (apart from Facebook and Twitter)? How can someone practice something they know nothing about?
You don't seem to have got the message that there is a spiritual battle for our souls raging around us, and everyone who has heard Christ's message has to make a choice between God and Satan. Sitting on the fence is a win for Satan and by subscribing to the atheist's views, you are playing right into Satan's hands.
Atheists continually raise the example of 911 as theism at work. Theist religions are not perfect, no human organization is, and because everyone has been given the free will to choose between good and evil, some will inevitably be seduced by Satan to commit evil.
.Do you really think that if a violent criminal says "sorry" in his last dying breath, he will go straight to heaven? Do you really think God is that stupid? As Pav said, God can see into everyone's heart and soul and he knows how sincere one is when one claims repentance. God is not a fool
We now have strong evidence for reincarnation (google "reincarnation research") and the Bible talks about "eternal life" (John 3:16). The Bible is short on details but "eternal life" may involve being given a second chance via reincarnation before final acceptance into Heaven.
He doesn't make the world appear that way at all.
You only have to study anthropology to see that people know inside themselves that there is some form of creator.
But people like yourself can block out that inherent knowledge by turning away from it. Conditioning, choice etc
Like anything you have to pursue it
Exodus 12:29-51 (New International Version)
29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.
Exodus 21:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
Exodus 32:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Leviticus 26:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
YET AGAIN showing no concern for urself.
"I don't want to go to heaven cauz this person is there"
He does make it look billions of years old, not the 6000 years some bible scholars claim. Also he made it appear as if was formed through the gradual accretion of matter left behind from an exploding star rather than just being snapped into existence in a day, and he made it look like the diversity of life bloomed over many millions of years, not a single day.
Like I said. Any death relating to war isn't murder.
I'm not sure what to make of this one!!Isaac Newton said:He who thinks half-heartedly will not believe in God; but he who really thinks has to believe in God.
Did you forget to feed your puppy?Not true, genocide is murder. War is not a valid reason for genocide and rape.
Any general who ordered his army to carry out those actions would be put on trail and sentenced to death or life in prison.
it just goes to show that you people can justify all sorts of immoral actions, as long as the orders come from a god.
The only thing is gods probably dont exist, so you have all these people committing crazy actions involving murder and thinking its ok because their imaginary friend is a god, i am lucky that my imaginary friend was a puppy, and i eventually grew up, but you guys are adults still walking around thinking your imaginary friend is real, and the worst part is you think he is a god.
Well... Well... Well.. Belenuit. Good to see you up to a bit of ol fashion bible study.
Like I said. Any death relating to war isn't murder. So you rule a few verses out there.
God is a God of justice. So if you sin, like a few examples there, then people get put to death / cursed. That's the way things were back then. Mbey you consider the death penalty murder. I don't. I consider it the strongest form of justice.
You also need to understand that once people left god or weren't seeking god that was punishable by death. In fact, seeking other Gods was considered by God to be very evil. Most of the times the result was death.
Soooooooo. Keep digging belenuit. See if you can track down some verses involving death in the bible, and I mean where no sin had been committed.
That's the way things were back then.
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