Religion IS crazy!

[Sean K]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

If true I am afraid Kennas it just show the evil that exists within the hearts of some men like Hitler and company not sure you can blame religion.

I'm not even sure if it's evil that causes these things.

Initially, these sorts of laws were for a reason, and suitable for the day perhaps. They controlled the population and assisted in the survival of the species in what must have been pretty dire times. However, they developed into dogmatic religious law, that does not change over time, even though the world and human societies have changed dramatically.

So, while initally not religions doing, now they are.

Just like the Catholic churches stance on homosexuality, contraception, or female priests. At some time, these things were relevant. Now, not so.

Sharia Law is the ultimate time freezing weapon to keep Muslims trapped in the 6th Century. Not really relevant to the 21st...

Stoned to death for being raped? Her father and brothers probably partook in the excitement...

 

[Happy]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Sharia Law is the ultimate time freezing weapon to keep Muslims trapped in the 6th Century. Not really relevant to the 21st...

Stoned to death for being raped? Her father and brothers probably partook in the excitement...

I am concerned for future of liberal democracy in Australia if these issues are not taken into account in screening immigrants and refugees.

It might not be good news for some of them, but shouldn’t we be more concerned for safe and peaceful life in Australia first?

 

[Glen48]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

The Bombers Mother proclaims what her Sons did was a good thing because they killed non believers who don't pray, so much for a Mothers love and she has no remose.
That's religion for you

 

[Sean K]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Enough Muslim bashing, time to turn our attention to the Catholics.



A few things I don't get with this cult.

They are:

No females in the clergy
No condoms etc
No abortion, ever
Babies being dunked when they're young
Eating crackers out of the hand of a man in a dress on Sunday mornings
No stem cell research


Now, President Elect Obama is in the bad books and being threatened by a Catholic Priest from Mexico about allowing medical research.

Why should it be prevented? Because it 'serves no purpose' and is 'good for nothing'.

Probably like they objected to analysing DNA.




Vatican warns Barack Obama over stem cell research
Richard Owen in Rome | November 12, 2008

THE Vatican has fired a warning shot over the bow of Barack Obama in response to the President-elect's intention to lift the US ban on embryonic stem cell research.

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, who acts as the Vatican health minister, said that stem cells taken from human embryos and involving the destruction of the embryos "serve no purpose".

Asked whether the Vatican was concerned about reports that Mr Obama might reverse the Bush Administration's ban, the cardinal said that embryonic stem cell research had not resulted in any significant health cure so far and was "good for nothing".

 

[gav]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Enough Muslim bashing, time to turn our attention to the Catholics.



A few things I don't get with this cult.

They are:

No females in the clergy
No condoms etc
No abortion, ever
Babies being dunked when they're young
Eating crackers out of the hand of a man in a dress on Sunday mornings
No stem cell research


Now, President Elect Obama is in the bad books and being threatened by a Catholic Priest from Mexico about allowing medical research.

Why should it be prevented? Because it 'serves no purpose' and is 'good for nothing'.

Probably like they objected to analysing DNA.




Vatican warns Barack Obama over stem cell research
Richard Owen in Rome | November 12, 2008

THE Vatican has fired a warning shot over the bow of Barack Obama in response to the President-elect's intention to lift the US ban on embryonic stem cell research.

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, who acts as the Vatican health minister, said that stem cells taken from human embryos and involving the destruction of the embryos "serve no purpose".

Asked whether the Vatican was concerned about reports that Mr Obama might reverse the Bush Administration's ban, the cardinal said that embryonic stem cell research had not resulted in any significant health cure so far and was "good for nothing".

Kennas, what makes you believe Catholicism is a "cult" and not a religion?

Also, I dont see anything wrong with the rituals of baptising a baby or receiving the body of Christ? If you believe these rituals are silly is a separate issue, they are harmless traditions IMO...

 

[spooly74]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Kennas, what makes you believe Catholicism is a "cult" and not a religion?

...

True ... to take a quote from Frank Zappa:

"The only difference between a religion and a cult is real estate"

 

[Sean K]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Every sect of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is a Cult of Abraham. In fact, the three main religions are Cults of the Yahwehists, who was the God of Abraham. Before that Yahweh was El the chief God of Ugarit a town in present day Syria, who may have been based on Marduk, who was the chief God of Babylon. So, we are all in fact, just a cult of ancient Mesopotamian beliefs.

 

[refined silver]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Kennas mate, you're spinning !@#$.

You've read one loopy, left-wing, liberal chick, a disgruntled ex-believer, and that's your story, you like it and you're sticking to it.

If you ever want a slightly more factual understanding about the Ancient world and the development of religions, try any of the following scholarly journals for a start.

- Biblical Archaeology Review
- Archaeology Odyssey
- Bible and Spade
- Journal of Northwest Semitic Languages
- Biblical Archaeologist

 

[Naked shorts]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

No females in the clergy
No condoms etc
No abortion, ever
Babies being dunked when they're young
Eating crackers out of the hand of a man in a dress on Sunday mornings
No stem cell research

You missed out:
The constant feeling of someone else in your head
Putting your hands together to improve the reception of your thoughts
Females being of lower status because they came second

What i find most crazy isnt religion however, its this world from an evolution perspective

 

[Sean K]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Kennas mate, you're spinning !@#$.

You've read one loopy, left-wing, liberal chick, a disgruntled ex-believer, and that's your story, you like it and you're sticking to it.

LOL

No, I've read more than one book on it.

And, I'm not sticking to any firm 'belief', like others.

 

[Sean K]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

I like that Australia is a multicultural society, as immigrants have brought a great deal to our country.

Great coffee.
Pasta.
Fried rice.
Chicken tikka.
Irish pubs.
Franco Cozzo.

to name but some small contibutions...


But this I am not happy about:

Segregation, violence against women, polygamy.

This is NOT Australia.

Cleric vows to end segregation in mosques

I hope this Mufti starts having an influence.


Then I might also add a Kebab to my list of great contributions...

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Every sect of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is a Cult of Abraham. In fact, the three main religions are Cults of the Yahwehists, who was the God of Abraham. ...Yahweh ... El the chief God of Ugarit .... Marduk ... heaps of other !@#$ lol ... [Glugs of Gosh]

Kennas mate, you're spinning !@#$.

You've read one loopy, left-wing, liberal chick, a disgruntled ex-believer, and that's your story, you like it and you're sticking to it.

If you ever want a slightly more factual understanding about the Ancient world and the development of religions, try any of the following scholarly journals for a start.

- Biblical Archaeology Review
- Archaeology Odyssey
- Bible and Spade
- Journal of Northwest Semitic Languages
- Biblical Archaeologist

lemme guess RS, you post this, don't give us any summary, and expect us to read a few million words - maybe to find that you haven't read them (or fully understood them ?). THanks a lot lol.

So do you object to kenna's (first comment) theory that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share common roots?

sheesh they all share the Old Testament for a start

 

[Lantern]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Pat Condell has interesting views on religion


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M114bK4qaiM

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=YjZ-lSn0A3M

 

[mayk]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

I like that Australia is a multicultural society, as immigrants have brought a great deal to our country.

Great coffee.
Pasta.
Fried rice.
Chicken tikka.
Irish pubs.
Franco Cozzo.

to name but some small contibutions...


But this I am not happy about:

Segregation, violence against women, polygamy.

This is NOT Australia.

Cleric vows to end segregation in mosques

I hope this Mufti starts having an influence.


Then I might also add a Kebab to my list of great contributions...

Adding chicken Tikka to your list has already given credence to them, remove it until your demands are met...

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Adding chicken Tikka to your list has already given credence to them, remove it until your demands are met...

Better still, sit down with them - and some chicken tikka (Indian / Pakistani whomever) - and discuss this in a civilized manner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikka

:topic PS I notice that Tikka is also "a line of hunting rifles manufactured by Finnish firearms manufacturer SAKO." So maybe insist on them being removed before we negotiate etc.

PS I take that back ... Could be , what with global warming and the dire predicament of the baby seals in the (mid - to) northern Baltic, that shooting them might be the humane thing to do

PS "hundreds of baby seals are now facing a painful death" - gee I should have posted this on the thread about "so do you think that global warming is a source of jokes and jests?"

PS religion gone crazy? - yep - especially when they/we have "so much heaven on their/our minds" - and so little respect for our role as Curators of the Earth ... :2 twocents

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,540694,00.html

Hundreds of Baby Seals Could Starve to Death
03/11/2008

Rising temperatures could spell disaster for seals living in the Baltic Sea in northern Europe. An environment group is warning that hundreds of baby seals are now facing a painful death.

"The situation is dramatic," Cathrin Münster, of the WWF's Baltic office, warned Monday in a statement. "It could turn out that not one of the seal babies born in the last few weeks will survive."

Seal mothers usually create deep burrows in the snow to protect their young. With those burrows now melting too early, the young pups are forced into the icy waters before they have built up protective layers of fat. They are also too young to defend themselves against predators like foxes and eagles

According to the WWF, worst affected are seals on the south-west coast of Finland, in the Gulf of Finland and the Gulf of Riga. The region has experienced a winter with the least ice formation for 300 years, according to the German Maritime and Hydrographic Agency.

In a normal winter, the agency says, the Gulf of Bothnia, which lies between Finland and Sweden, is completely covered by ice between the end of February to mid-March. But this winter ice only formed in the northern parts of the gulf and in patches in the south.

According to the WWF, there are only 7,000 to 10,000 seals in the Baltic Sea today, which is why they have been placed on an international list of endangered species. At the start of the 20th century, the group says, there were about 180,000 seals in the area, but hunting and environmental degradation have drastically cut their numbers.

 

[2020hindsight]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

- especially when they/we have "so much heaven on their/our minds" - and so little respect for our role as Curators of the Earth ... :2 twocents

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ytNoiQ8LkS8
embedded:-
Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) Heaven On Their Minds (Stereo)

Or this from the poetry thread #1137, Adam Lindsay Gordon, mid 1800's (some things never change ) :-

Vain is half this care and caution
O'er the earthly shell,
We can neither baffle nor shun
Dark-plumed Azrael.
Onward! onward! still we wander,
Nearer draws the goal;
Half the riddle's read, we ponder
Vainly on the whole.

Preacher! all forbearance ask, for
All are worthless found,
Man must ay take man to task for
Faults while earth goes round.

PS Azrael is archangel of death - the one who can't be "baffled" or "shunned".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azrael

Azrael is the Islamic Archangel of Death. It is an English form of the Arabic name Azra'il (عزرائيل) or Azra'eil (عزرایل), the name traditionally attributed to the angel of death in Islam and some Hebrew lore.[1] The Qur'an never uses this name, referring instead to Malaikat al-Maut (which translates directly as angels of death; not one angel). It is also spelled Izrail, Izrael, Azrail, Ezraeil, Azraille, Azryel, or Ozryel. Chambers English dictionary uses the spelling Azrael. The name literally means Whom God Helps.

.......
Rather than merely representing death personified, Azrael is usually described in Islamic sources as subordinate to the will of God "with the most profound reverence."[4]

In Jewish mysticism he is identified as the embodiment of evil, not necessarily or specifically death itself.[1]

Depending on the outlook and precepts of various religions in which he is a figure, Azrael may be portrayed as residing in the Third Heaven.[5] He has four faces and four thousand wings, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, :eek3: - the number of which corresponds to the number of people inhabiting the earth. He will be the last to die, recording and erasing constantly in a large book the names of men at birth and death, respectively.[6]

yeah right

 

[Sean K]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Adding chicken Tikka to your list has already given credence to them, remove it until your demands are met...

Tikka is Islamic?

It's at least a mesh of different flavours and cultures, isn't it?

Anyway, if it is an 'Islamic' idea I submit .....


Damn, can't find the bow down smillie ...

:dunno:

 

[mayk]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

Tikka is Islamic?

It is a south Asian, mostly western side (Pakistan and south west India). But can be justified as Indian / Pakistani. But if you go deep in to the discussion, Indian major religion Hinduism forbid eating any sort of animal (Vegetarian philosophy), so I guess Tikka can be classified as a Muslim south Asians (India, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh) food.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

I like that Australia is a multicultural society, as immigrants have brought a great deal to our country.

Great coffee.
Pasta.
Fried rice.
Chicken tikka.
Irish pubs.
Franco Cozzo.

to name but some small contibutions...


But this I am not happy about:

Segregation, violence against women, polygamy.

This is NOT Australia.

Cleric vows to end segregation in mosques

I hope this Mufti starts having an influence.


Then I might also add a Kebab to my list of great contributions...

Kennas,

Don't you think the word should be multiracial?

And above I don't see any muslim bashing going on - just discussion.

How is your Spanish going?
Cheers..

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Religion gone crazy!

- especially when they/we have "so much heaven on their/our minds" - and so little respect for our role as Curators of the Earth ... :2 twocents

We (not us) spend a lot of time pithing each other off hey.

Don't you think the word should be multiracial?

Like the red Indian nation became multiracial and the Aboriginal nation became multiracial and the African nation became multiracial.

People are tolerant more than accepting.