Call me a skeptic, but would any of the religious based charities hope to convert, or 'save', anyone they provide a lunch to? HmmmmWhat a lot of rot. That is a statement without much thought. WHO run most of the charities with VOLUNTEER help, is it ST.Vincents, The Salvos etc.
Nioka, various other community organisations with no religious affiliations provide help.What a lot of rot. That is a statement without much thought. WHO run most of the charities with VOLUNTEER help, is it ST.Vincents, The Salvos etc. Our local op shop, where the proceeds are gifted to the needy (and they don't have to be christians). I think it is run by a group which is multi denomination.The reason I'm not sure is because they don't push the point. Most of the workers are there to help the needy and are not asking for anything more than to feel as though they are helping someone.
Go and help the salvos sometime it will be a learning experience that will make you a better person. To help them you may have to go to the front line in a war, a fire tragedy, a flood disaster, out in the cold to feed the homeless, or something just as inconvenient.
I guess some try and a lot hope but most will accept people for who they are and will help someone that needs help without any religous overtones at all. If they are handing out soup or a blanket on a cold night it is not done with any strings attached. Get involved and see for yourself.Call me a skeptic, but would any of the religious based charities hope to convert, or 'save', anyone they provide a lunch to? Hmmmm
But, I'm a skeptic.
Nioka, various other community organisations with no religious affiliations provide help.
And plenty of volunteers do what they do with no religious guidance or stimulus, just a reasoned wish to contribute to their community and help others. Nothing to do with God at all..
If we only rely on the law to establish rules we will soon become a police state.
What a lot of rot. That is a statement without much thought. WHO run most of the charities with VOLUNTEER help, is it ST.Vincents, The Salvos etc. Our local op shop, where the proceeds are gifted to the needy (and they don't have to be christians). I think it is run by a group which is multi denomination.The reason I'm not sure is because they don't push the point. Most of the workers are there to help the needy and are not asking for anything more than to feel as though they are helping someone.
Go and help the salvos sometime it will be a learning experience that will make you a better person. To help them you may have to go to the front line in a war, a fire tragedy, a flood disaster, out in the cold to feed the homeless, or something just as inconvenient.
What a lot of rot. That is a statement without much thought. WHO run most of the charities with VOLUNTEER help, is it ST.Vincents, The Salvos etc. Our local op shop, where the proceeds are gifted to the needy (and they don't have to be christians). I think it is run by a group which is multi denomination.The reason I'm not sure is because they don't push the point. Most of the workers are there to help the needy and are not asking for anything more than to feel as though they are helping someone.
Go and help the salvos sometime it will be a learning experience that will make you a better person. To help them you may have to go to the front line in a war, a fire tragedy, a flood disaster, out in the cold to feed the homeless, or something just as inconvenient.
I don't care if people want to go to a church, sing songs, pray, chant, etc, (even taking communion which seems pretty silly to me). But I do object when those people tell me I am missing out, living an immoral existence, or otherwise failing to appreciate the reality of life, if I don't want to do the same.
That is fair enough but it is the religous charities that do the horrible no hoper stuff.
Agreed with 100%, but the topic here seems to be denigrating religious people as a whole. My reply was to a statement that religious people will not give something "unless there are brownie points"
You don't, but it does help by establishing guidelines and setting boundaries. The fact that some religious people overstep them or overemphasise them doesn't alter the guidelines or the boundaries. Is there a better set of guidelines than those set with the ten commandants?
the key to this is tolerance... if an atheist is going be intolerant and ridicule someone else's beliefs then, in my humble opinion, they are no different to the very people they are so dead against!
Atheism isn't a religion though. By definition it can't be.Completely agree Julia...
But then again, you are one of the few atheist I know who doesn't actually preach the religion of atheism.
I thought if you were Catholic you could pretty much do what you liked and then just vist your local Priest, confess your sins, a few Hail Mary's and away you go. (seemed to work for the God fearing members of Mafia).
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Originally Posted by nioka
If we only rely on the law to establish rules we will soon become a police state.
that will be the end result of our "open" society because we insist on importing cultures that have serious defects in them.
Atheism isn't a religion though. By definition it can't be.
But what about us agnostics?
Agreed that the 10 commandants are probably the best set of guidelines on how to live life as a decent person. And if I hadn't been raised as a Christian I'd probably never have been aware of them.
But at the core of Kota's confusion is his failure to realise that there are many decent people in the world who don't believe in God, yet they still lead lives of integrity and consideration for others, basically in line with the 10 commandments.
I know, because I'm one such person.
You do not have to be Christian and God-worshipping to be a decent person leading a wholesome life.
And if you do belong to the camp that believes in and worships God, it most definitely is not a guarantee that you're a good and decent person.
My goodness.....the sort of behaviour I've seen from some of the religious/Christian fraternity is so rotten it would make your toenails curl.
bunyip,
if you are to go to confession, it must be for the purpose of admitting guilt and comitting to not re-offend. the key being the words with which the priest ends the confession... Go and sin no more!
Its actually the basis for the modern justice systema the process of rehab. we all know there are plenty who abuse that system too!
Agreed that the 10 commandants are probably the best set of guidelines on how to live life as a decent person. And if I hadn't been raised as a Christian I'd probably never have been aware of them.
But at the core of Kota's confusion is his failure to realise that there are QUOTE]
Sorry Kotim, for getting your name wrong.....not like me to be so careless.
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