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SirRumpole said:
So when you quote 'Jesus', who are you actually quoting if he didn't exist ?
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I quote the fictional character from the fictional story that I am discussing.

As I said, its no different to quoting Harry Potter, Spider Man or Darth Vader.

Some one might Say, "Darth Vader said 'Luke, I am your father'"

Then I might say "No, Darth Vader never said that, thats a popular misconception what he said was 'No, I am your father' and it's just the other quote got spread through pop culture incorrectly"

At no point I am saying Darth Vader was right or wrong, nor am I saying he was real, I am simply correcting a mis quote of the original story that has become popular.

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Check it for yourself, he never say "Luke , I am your father" he says "No, I am your father"

Would it be wrong for me to correct people that believe he said "Luke I am your father" by quoting "Darth Vader"

listen to what he says at 1.50

 

Say what? He didn't say "Luke, I am your father"?

Lucas is a terrible writer. Sounds a lot better with "Luke, I am your father"

He tell good stories though. Not counting the Star Wars prequels about taxes. Indy 4 I'm still wondering whether I've outgrown the cheesy stuff or Spielberg wasn't into these adventure business anymore.
 
SirRumpole said:
So when you quote 'Jesus', who are you actually quoting if he didn't exist ?
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When you refer to a fictional character, you'd have to immerse yourself in their universe. That is, you go into that fictional world.

It's like watching a fictional movie where the characters does something "unreal" or some stupid fictional stuff just doesn't make sense.

You can say that it's a movie so of course it's unreal and doesn't make sense. We know it's a movie, it's fictional, but in its own universe it still has to make sense.
 
luutzu said:
Say what? He didn't say "Luke, I am your father"?

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Lol, what if I told you Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and Porky Pigs gang of characters was never called "looney toons"?

It was actually spelt "looney tunes" as in music, not toons and in short for cartoons.

It's crazy how many things are incorrectly remembered in popular culture.
 
I see you are pushing your own religion, VC, 'godless communist'.

The totalitarian political correctness.

- a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
 
luutzu said:
Say what? He didn't say "Luke, I am your father"?

Lucas is a terrible writer. Sounds a lot better with "Luke, I am your father"
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Yeah he did, the Mandela Effect affected can't process the word "Luke" and only hear "No".
 
Tink said:
I see you are pushing your own religion, VC, 'godless communist'.

The totalitarian political correctness.

- a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
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Do you even know what a communist is? Or is it just a word you throw out there? What exactly have I said that is communist?

You are laughable Tink, please quote something I have said that is communist.
 
Value Collector said:
Some one might Say, "Darth Vader said 'Luke, I am your father'"
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If you go around saying "Darth Vader said X" or "Darth Vader said Y", then people will think you are rather strange because Darth Vader is definitely a fictional character.

OTOH Jesus is pretty well established historically so even if you think he is fictional, a lot of others don't, whether they agree with the "Son of God" and miracles bit.

So my point is that you don't even believe Jesus existed and yet you quote him as if he did, so that comes down to being hypocritical.
 
Darth Vader definitely exists - has his own 757-200 death star, a 58-story empire state look alike building and probably the most likely invader to end the world.



He ain't no son of God, more like the gun of Sod all
 
SirRumpole said:
Godless capitalist I would say.
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I am happy with that description.
SirRumpole said:
If you go around saying "Darth Vader said X" or "Darth Vader said Y", then people will think you are rather strange because Darth Vader is definitely a fictional character.

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As I said I see no problem with quoting fictional characters when discussing their books or movies.
OTOH Jesus is pretty well established historically so even if you think he is fictional
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The character in the bible is fictional, any person (or people) that existed who inspired those stories is not the same person as the bible character.

You don't think St Nicholas and Santa Claus are the same person do you?

So my point is that you don't even believe Jesus existed and yet you quote him as if he did, so that comes down to being hypocritical
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If you are discussing a movie with some one, do you ever say something like.

"I like the part when he said XXXX"

or if some one else describes a scene, would you correct them and say.

"nah he actually said XXXX"

If you do, then you are quoting fictional characters, I don't see a problem with that, and I don't think other people do either.
Jesus is pretty well established historically
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He actually isn't, there is pretty much no evidence in any historical record or any artefact that dates back to his life that mentions him except for the bible stories, which were not written for more than a generation after his death.

The real historians don't tend to put much weight in his existence, except to say there probably was a jewish rabbi that inspired the stories, but nothing of the bible claims can be verified, and there is no real evidence for him.

I am happy to say there may have been a person who's stories morphed into fanciful legends than eventually became a religion, but the "Jesus" character from the fanciful stories and that real guy are not the same guy.

So when I say Jesus didn't exist I am talking about the bible character.
 
Just incase you want to sound knowledgeable at your next bbq outing, while discussing Star Wars:

this is a Darth Vader in electrical trade parlance
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Tink said:
The totalitarian political correctness.

- a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
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Tink, aren't you a member of the Catholic Church?
Doesn't the Catholic Church fit that description perfectly?

you say you are against "Political correctness", yet you are a member of an organisation that has done everything in its power to limit free speech, everything from banning books to putting people to death.
 
Value Collector said:
yet you are a member of an organisation that has done everything in its power to limit free speech, everything from banning books to putting people to death.
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Some centuries ago, but the Muslims are still doing it. Why not have a crack at them some time ?
 
From that link by Tink...
Keep this in mind boys... if you ever have to do bird you can go to a women's prison by giving your birth cert the gender bender treatment. You'll never walk alone. LOL
We can all have wings.... "Michael Hutchence"
 
SirRumpole said:
Some centuries ago, but the Muslims are still doing it. Why not have a crack at them some time ?
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Do you think the last time they banned a book was centuries ago???

If Tink were muslim, and I knew which sect/denomination of islam she was from, and that sect/denomination were guilty of the same things she's accused me of I would have said the same thing, Just replace the "Catholic Church" with which ever sect of islam she was from.
 
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