Queensland Election 2012

[moXJO]

Oh please, it’s the labor brand as a whole that is toxic. Using endless grubby tactics will do that to you. During the NSW election people were voting on both fed and state grievances.

 

[Eager]

Oh please, it’s the labor brand as a whole that is toxic. Using endless grubby tactics will do that to you. During the NSW election people were voting on both fed and state grievances.

SO: Can the Queenslanders amongst us please say why they voted for their chosen party yesterday? Was their decision based on State or Federal issues?

 

[moXJO]

SO: Can the Queenslanders amongst us please say why they voted for their chosen party yesterday? Was their decision based on State or Federal issues?

State, fed or both

 

[Eager]

State, fed or both

Do you cast your vote at Federal elections based on State issues too?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

SO: Can the Queenslanders amongst us please say why they voted for their chosen party yesterday? Was their decision based on State or Federal issues?

Both.

gg

 

[Miss Hale]

This has already happened. Just heard Anthony Albanese saying that of course the Qld election was fought purely on State issues and was largely due to the "it's time" factor of Labor having been in power here for 20 of 22 years.
You're right, all the Federal Labor luvvies will be out frantically spruiking the same message in an attempt to save the brand.

I'm sure some of it was the 'it's time for a change' factor, as I think it was when the Howard government get thrown out federally, but to suffer such a shellacking, well Albanese is burying his head in the sand to think it just the 'it's time' factor.

I think most of the time state elections are fought on state issues but I'm sure there are always a few voters that will take out their wrath at the feds at a state election.

I'm waiting for the 'we just didn't explain our policies well enough' excuse, that will be next

I'm happy for Queenslanders and I hope that Newman is able to do lots of positive things for their state

 

[moXJO]

Do you cast your vote at Federal elections based on State issues too?

Ummm yes
Federal has a habit of withholding money if you don't play ball. Like the ohs harmonisation laws. There are a lot of reasons to look at the policies that will best benefit your state in conjunction with your current state government’s policy.
However a lot of people don't know politics (or care) so it’s just lib vs. lab. They don't even fully grasp the concept that it’s a state election sometimes.

 

[Calliope]

I'm happy for Queenslanders and I hope that Newman is able to do lots of positive things for their state

Newman was the catalyst. We have been waiting for years for a proven leader to unite the LNP factions and deliver us from a union infected Labor government. Queensland will now be run on a business model.

 

[rumpole]

Newman was the catalyst. We have been waiting for years for a proven leader to unite the LNP factions and deliver us from a union infected Labor government. Queensland will now be run on a business model.

Government of the people by business for business eh Calliope ?

 

[MrBurns]

Government of the people by business for business eh Calliope ?

If business suffers so do the people, Govt cant employ everyone.

 

[rumpole]

If business suffers so do the people, Govt cant employ everyone.

Burnsie you have it the wrong way round, if the people suffer so does business.

Businesses suffer because the market doesn't have the money or the desire and confidence to spend it. That's not a comment on the Qld result, just a general statement of fact.

 

[Julia]

But they have only disliked Labor enough to turf them out this time around!

What this reflects more than anything, imo, is that until the LNP actually got itself together and offered a leader whom we have every reason to believe is actually competent, the electorate had little reason to change from 'the devil we knew' to use a cliche.

I tend to think that there actually was a fair amount of Federality hanging over this election. There shouldn't have been;

In an ideal world you would be right and State elections would be fought on just State issues. But an example of the involvement of federal factors in this instance is that the Bligh government passively accepted the carbon tax. The LNP are completely opposed to it and will support its removal.

And then I think there's the undeniable factor that Brand Labor is totally on the nose throughout much of the country. People are fed up, angry, frustrated. So it's inevitable imo that some of this fury will influence their vote.
I was always going to do my bit in voting the duplicitous Bligh out but when doing so I was quite aware of an attitude of "and here's to you too, Federal Labor".

SO: Can the Queenslanders amongst us please say why they voted for their chosen party yesterday? Was their decision based on State or Federal issues?

As above. Both.

 

[Ves]

I don't think it matters who you voted for yesterday; the result was awful. A government that has vast dominance in numbers ensures there will be no effective opposition. I don't see how this can be good in the long-term.

 

[moXJO]

I don't think it matters who you voted for yesterday; the result was awful. A government that has vast dominance in numbers ensures there will be no effective opposition. I don't see how this can be good in the long-term.

Labor has had a good clean out. They will rebuild, learn from their mistakes and hopefully present a better party and candidates.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I don't think it matters who you voted for yesterday; the result was awful. A government that has vast dominance in numbers ensures there will be no effective opposition. I don't see how this can be good in the long-term.

Equally one could say that the Labor government over the last 20 years was so flea ridden, that Queenslanders on booting it out the back door, had to make sure their foot connected well and truly forcefully with it's ar$e, to ensure it was out of the house.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

Burnsie you have it the wrong way round, if the people suffer so does business.

Depends how you lok at it, business employs millions, if it's in trouble they dont hire, as is happening now.

 

[rumpole]

Depends how you lok at it, business employs millions, if it's in trouble they dont hire, as is happening now.

If businesses are in trouble it's usually because people aren't buying their product, for one reason or another. Maybe they are afraid of losing their jobs, so this becomes a circular problem. People are afraid of losing their jobs so they don't spend, business's profits fall so they sack people. If this happens the economy goes down like a line of dominoes.

If business in general wants a market they need to employ people so they have money to spend. It's probably public servants with (mostly) secure jobs that are keeping the economy going.

 

[moXJO]

If businesses are in trouble it's usually because people aren't buying their product, for one reason or another. Maybe they are afraid of losing their jobs, so this becomes a circular problem. People are afraid of losing their jobs so they don't spend, business's profits fall so they sack people. If this happens the economy goes down like a line of dominoes.

If business in general wants a market they need to employ people so they have money to spend. It's probably public servants with (mostly) secure jobs that are keeping the economy going.

Don't forget current IR laws, flexibility in the workplace, taxes etc

 

[JTLP]

Thanks Julia - spot on (and Bobs Carr's comments of course)

Thanks Julia and my humblest apologies Dutchie - tis a bit embarrassing!

I'm just hoping for a Federal repeat

 

[dutchie]

Thanks Julia and my humblest apologies Dutchie - tis a bit embarrassing!

No apologies necessary - its often hard to tell whether its sarcasm or not with just typed words.

I'm just hoping for a Federal repeat

For Australia's sake, me too.