QANTAS Grounds all Flights

[Garpal Gumnut]

Boggo mate,

You have implied that people are in mortal danger between arriving at the embarkation gate and boarding the aircraft.

This is serious.

Please provide some proof.

Otherwise a stiff rum may be required for baggage handlers frightened of the rain.

gg

 

[Boggo]

Yes that would have worked well at Perth, WE HAVE OUR DE-ICING LIGHTS ON.
What about answering the questions posed.

I just did, I don't write their individual compliance procedures nor do I know why they might consider adding their own buffers.

(BTW de-icing lights are built into the fuselage of each aircraft and they illuminate the leading edge of the wing- sorry, that's the front of the wing and are nothing to do with Perth )

 

[Boggo]

Boggo mate,
You have implied that people are in mortal danger between arriving at the embarkation gate and boarding the aircraft.

Aaah, no I didn't. All I did was quote a small extract from a document.

Can you show me where I "implied that people are in mortal danger between arriving at the embarkation gate and boarding the aircraft".

 

[sptrawler]

I just did, I don't write their individual compliance procedures nor do I know why they might consider adding their own buffers.

(BTW de-icing lights are built into the fuselage of each aircraft and they illuminate the leading edge of the wing- sorry, that's the front of the wing and are nothing to do with Perth )

So thats it, all the Qantas passengers sitting on on the tarmac in Perth, while all the other planes were arriving and unloading, can rest easy knowing their de-icing lights were on.(the leading edge BTW)
What a classic, like I said earlier it sucks being a pawn in a bigger game, you are the first to be sacrificed.

 

[Boggo]

You could always ring them and ask why...
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/contacts/global/en

 

[pilots]

Not hard to see why Qantas will be wiped out by the Unions, two other air lines loaded and unloaded, don't the union pussies have rain coats. What are all the Union pussies going to do when Qantas moves over seas. IT WILL HAPPEN.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes drsmith, how they think this sort of thing helps their case is beyond me.
All it does is give Joyce more ammunition for a complete overhaul of the award.
Like I've sugested before, it is more likely the baggage handlers are being set up to take a big fall. Then the government can turn around and say FWA is working and is prepared to take a hard line.IMO
Nothing worse than being cannon fodder. Bit sad really in my opinion.

Like the earlier post said, it won't end well for the baggage handlers.IMO

 

[Logique]

...Apparently some were kept on the planes for up to 7 hours. That is just unacceptable. Here is a link to the story on the West Australian.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...antas-passengers-fume-as-storm-creates-chaos/

Too right it's unacceptable. Still no accident stats on lightning strike when getting off a plane. Given the choice for the onboard passengers: - sit in here for up to 7 hrs - or get off and risk the lightning - I reckon there'd be a scramble for the exits.

 

[sptrawler]

Like the earlier post said, it won't end well for the baggage handlers.IMO

Well we did say,it would get worse before it got better for the union.
They are now devouring their own.
Maybe Bogo can shed some light on the issues.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/union-heavy-sacks-staff/story-fn6b3v4f-1226224854306

Sheldon made an appalling mess of the Qantas dispute and blamed his staff for it," National Union of Workers NSW state secretary Derrick Belan said.

"(Qantas chief ) Alan Joyce took him on, now Sheldon's got to save face," another senior union figure said

 

[Boggo]

Maybe Bogo can shed some light on the issues.

I have no idea what the unions are doing, not sure why you would think I do.

Its obvious that QF will do the same with all their other departments that they have with the flight attendants.
Most of my interstate trips are with Virgin but I got sent to Melb last Friday for a few hours and flew both ways with QF and it was obvious on the flight over that the cabin crew were QF employed as they were a bit 'more experienced' and struggled to smile.
(I am sure that you are all aware of the fact that QF no longer emloy flight attendants, they are actually employed by a pommie company - MAM Aviation Support Services - but you guys already knew and accept that that is what goes with the cheap fares).
http://www.mam.net.au/default.asp

With the unions eating their own I guess it is just a matter of time for all of the "We still call Australia home" airline departments to be subcontracted out to foreign companies but that's ok because we can all fly for the cost of a bus fare, that makes it ok doesn't it ?

Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger highlighting some areas of what is happening.

 

[sptrawler]

Boggo, I wasn't having a go at you.
I think Sheldon, holding the company to ransom was a dumb play, that could only end in tears.
This is the problem when labor get into power, the unions think it is a field day, it has happened on numerous occasions before.
Initially the labor government pander to the the unions, then the economic backlash kicks in and the government abandons the unions. Leaving the workers to pick up the mess.

 

[Boggo]

Initially the labor government pander to the the unions, then the economic backlash kicks in and the government abandons the unions. Leaving the workers to pick up the mess.

Exactly, and that combined with a 'we are not going to change' union mentality is playing into the hands of the 'we can get it done cheaper overseas' corporate approach to the destruction of the last recognisable symbol of Australia that is on display worldwide.

 

[Eager]

This may surprise some, but I am the first to acknowledge that there are some 'dinosaur' union leaders out there who are living in the past and creating a more and more unsustainable future for their members.

But - it takes two to tango. Why don't more business leaders actually have a go at engaging their workforces, motivating them NOT by threat, and creating a culture of co-operation and efficiency? Don't tell me that the union leaders won't let them - that's rubbish - because at the end of the day a workplace will always run according to management. If a company cannot communicate the message to their workers, it is they who are the poor communicators.

There are probably more 'dinosaur' managers out there clinging to old practices than union leaders.

 

[sptrawler]

Boggo, I wasn't having a go at you.
I think Sheldon, holding the company to ransom was a dumb play, that could only end in tears.
This is the problem when labor get into power, the unions think it is a field day, it has happened on numerous occasions before.
Initially the labor government pander to the the unions, then the economic backlash kicks in and the government abandons the unions. Leaving the workers to pick up the mess.

Looks like the mess is starting to unfold.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/12902064/union-loses-appeal-over-qantas-strikes/

That's one ruling I wonder if there are any more pending.
I saw Tony Sheldon on T.V the other night, he was very subdued, not like him at all.

 

[Glen48]

the wheels might not be falling off but the wings on the 380 don't seem to healthy and on such a young bird.