Peter Dutton - The Great Pretender?

[sptrawler]

Obviously IF Peter Dutton had won the PM position, it would have been a nightmare, the amount of negative press he is getting the Labor Party could have just sat back and watched. Amazing stuff.
The ABC and SMH were obviously 'locked and loaded', for Dutton. IMO

 

[PZ99]

I reckon it was set up by people like Ray Hadley, Alan Jones, 2GB and its affiliates, Andrew Bolt, Peta Credlin, The Australian newspaper, Sky News, News Corp, Rupert Murdoch and the Conservative right in the LNP... because they've all been trolling the Turnbull Govt since the day it started 3 years ago. Just as they did to the ALP prior to that. I'm not into conspiracy theories but I do find it odd that Rupert Murdoch arriving in Australia a few weeks ago just happens to coincide with Ray Hadley confirming on air that Dutton will challenge Turnbull a week before it even happened.

"We have got to get rid of Malcolm. If that's the price of getting rid of him then I can put up with three years of Labor."
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That... was Rupert Murdoch Ladies and Gents

Riveting stuff > http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...upert-murdoch-kerry-stokes-influence/10262552

 

[sptrawler]

Well he is pretty spot on IMO.
Turnbull should never have been reinstated as leader, over Abbott.
Abbott would have lost the last election, the SMH and Age would have made sure of that, then Turnbull could have thrown his hat in the ring.
Turnbull was thrown out as leader, first time around, because he was ineffective. Second time he was about as good as first time, next to useless IMO.

He used the backing of Fairfax papers to overthrow Abbott, but he didn't achieve anything when he took the reigns, so he has been tossed and? Live by the sword ...
It was just the same as Labor overthrowing Gillard, to reinstate Rudd why? He was useless and thrown out for a reason, what is the saying about doing the same thing twice and expecting a different outcome.

It just shows how poor our political parties are, since the end of the Howard era, people are so unsure of who stands for what they vote for the "motor enthusiast party".

 

[SirRumpole]

Abbott would have lost the last election, the SMH and Age would have made sure of that, then Turnbull could have thrown his hat in the ring.

I can't really see Turnbull sitting in Opposition for 3 years or more.

 

[PZ99]

The issue here is the rank abuse of power by the media to suit their desired outcome.

Murdoch has already declared that Labor would be a one term Govt if they got in.

Last time I checked, Australia was a democracy where the people decide who runs the joint.

Not some AGrade tax avoider who flies in, squawks a lot, $hits on everything and flies off again.

 

[sptrawler]

The issue here is the rank abuse of power by the media to suit their desired outcome.

Murdoch has already declared that Labor would be a one term Govt if they got in.

Last time I checked, Australia was a democracy where the people decide who runs the joint.

Not some AGrade tax avoider who flies in, squawks a lot, $hits on everything and flies off again.

We have been going on about the press and the gullible public for years.
Didn't you see the post the other week, about Mike Nahan W.A leader of the opposition, he made a comment at a function, that the press was becoming irrelevant.
Well the next few days, every appalling degrading picture on file of Nahan, was front page news.lol
You think this is a new phenomenon or something, or are you just concerned it is Murdoch, when every paper does it.

 

[PZ99]

To answer your question - yes. I'm just concerned it is Murdoch.

I remember a Murdoch owned newspaper attempted to influence an election by posting birthday suit pics of Pauline Hanson which turned out to be fakes afterwards.

I know it's not a new phenomenon. But that makes it even more unacceptable.

I don't want some non Australian citizen to dictate the running of this country. I think it's BS.

 

[SirRumpole]

To answer your question - yes. I'm just concerned it is Murdoch.

I remember a Murdoch owned newspaper attempted to influence an election by posting birthday suit pics of Pauline Hanson which turned out to be fakes afterwards.

I know it's not a new phenomenon. But that makes it even more unacceptable.

I don't want some non Australian citizen to dictate the running of this country. I think it's BS.

If we had decent media ownership laws Murdoch would not be a fit and proper person to run a media empire.

 

[Tisme]

"We have got to get rid of Malcolm. If that's the price of getting rid of him then I can put up with three years of Labor."
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That... was Rupert Murdoch Ladies and Gents

Riveting stuff > http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...upert-murdoch-kerry-stokes-influence/10262552

I posted on twatter that Murdoch had arrived and Turnbull was dead meat. The howls of protest at my crystal balling were a delight and the retwits most satisfying LOL. I must admit I had Pete Costello in the mix as a co-assassin, but he seems to have escaped culpability .... so far.

 

[sptrawler]

To answer your question - yes. I'm just concerned it is Murdoch.

I remember a Murdoch owned newspaper attempted to influence an election by posting birthday suit pics of Pauline Hanson which turned out to be fakes afterwards.

I know it's not a new phenomenon. But that makes it even more unacceptable.

I don't want some non Australian citizen to dictate the running of this country. I think it's BS.

I'm concerned that all the media has too much influence, everyone seems to think it is ok, as long as they are singing the song you want to hear. Lol
Unfortunately the door swings both ways, the right wing press, has no more influence than the left wing.
The real problem is they all have too much to say.
Now the left wing press, is bent out of shape, because the right wing press got rid of Turnbull. When it was the left wing press, that got rid of Abbott and replaced him with Turnbull. What a hoot, and you are supposed to take them all seriously.

 

[PZ99]

I'm concerned that all the media has too much influence, everyone seems to think it is ok, as long as they are singing the song you want to hear. Lol
Unfortunately the door swings both ways, the right wing press, has no more influence than the left wing.
The real problem is they all have too much to say.
Now the left wing press, is bent out of shape, because the right wing press got rid of Turnbull. When it was the left wing press, that got rid of Abbott and replaced him with Turnbull. What a hoot, and you are supposed to take them all seriously.

I can mostly agree with that. I could even advance it by saying we've now lost our right to complain about the ABC being a political tool for hairy legged lefties etc, after all - we know the media publicly endorse their chosen party during elections.

But this is different - for me this isn't a left or right issue. This is the first time I've seen a prime minister get taken down mid term as a direct result of the blatant actions of a media mogul who doesn't have respect for Australian democracy. Malcolm Turnbull had the Coalition in a winning position at 49-51 with nine months to go and a major series of infrastructure projects ready to roll out after that election if they had won it. Now it's all gone down the swanny. We now have to put up with goat tracks in our cities for yet another generation it seems

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Turnbull all that much. But unlike Abbott at least he was getting things done. The country was functioning with growth and falling unemployment - we're even outperforming the US at the moment. Not bad for a one seat majority with a hostile senate. But not good enough for Murdoch. He has a personal grudge against Turnbull so he uses his empire to get rid of him.

Silly Billy will now be your nest PM because Murdoch said so. It's an insult to our democracy.

 

[PZ99]

I posted on twatter that Murdoch had arrived and Turnbull was dead meat. The howls of protest at my crystal balling were a delight and the retwits most satisfying LOL. I must admit I had Pete Costello in the mix as a co-assassin, but he seems to have escaped culpability .... so far.

I knew the faecal matter was going down the moment I heard Ray Hadley waffling on about the so-called challenge around a fortnight prior to the event. I didn't know Murdcoh had arrived on the scene though... apparently his Sydney bound plane was diverted to Canberra because of fog. It should've been diverted to Macquarie Island instead where he can be just like his hero Hitler and live out his dreams of eternal dictatorship in an Island of suits.

 

[SirRumpole]

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Turnbull all that much. But unlike Abbott at least he was getting things done. The country was functioning with growth and falling unemployment - we're even outperforming the US at the moment. Not bad for a one seat majority with a hostile senate. But not good enough for Murdoch. He has a personal grudge against Turnbull so he uses his empire to get rid of him.

I'm a bit sceptical about the role of the government in the economy.

Australia's GDP has been growing since the 1990's through both Liberal and Labor governments, so I think that the economy generally does what it wants to do, and let's face it, the Libs haven't done much at all in government so they can't really take any credit for anything, and indeed if they can't come up with a decent energy policy that ensures the price of power goes down to competitive levels then we may find that businesses take their money elsewhere.

 

[PZ99]

I'm a bit sceptical about the role of the government in the economy.

Australia's GDP has been growing since the 1990's through both Liberal and Labor governments, so I think that the economy generally does what it wants to do, and let's face it, the Libs haven't done much at all in government so they can't really take any credit for anything, and indeed if they can't come up with a decent energy policy that ensures the price of power goes down to competitive levels then we may find that businesses take their money elsewhere.

It's hard to pinpoint the economic benefits of Govt policy because it takes a long time to determine the results. Clear case being the deregulatory agenda of the Hawke/Keating Govts. The benefits weren't universally realised until they were tested by the GFC for example.

On the other hand it doesn't take much for poor policy to stuff the economy and it's even harder to arrest the freefall once it starts. Case in point > business confidence, consumer confidence are at least partially attributed to an effective Govt with a pro investment growth agenda. That was one of the biggest differences between the Abbott and Turnbull Govts. The economic growth bequeathed to the Libs in 2013 was sabotaged by the austerity agenda of the Abbott Govt after the 2014 budget. Result? Confidence falls, the reserve bank is forced to lower interest rates to emergency levels and our dollar gets dumped by the market. All over in 6 months. The rest of the Abbott Govt then became reactionary; dumping "barnacles" everywhere, dropping the austerity and every budget since then has been pro growth, investment, lower taxes and it's only now the benefits are showing.

It's one of the reasons I think we dodged a bullet when Peter Dutton missed out becoming PM.
He'll probably now lose his marginal seat, Abbott will probably lose his as well. People just don't like negative politics when opening their wallet. So confidence is key. All my view of course

 

[SirRumpole]

I knew the faecal matter was going down the moment I heard Ray Hadley waffling on about the so-called challenge around a fortnight prior to the event. I didn't know Murdcoh had arrived on the scene though... apparently his Sydney bound plane was diverted to Canberra because of fog. It should've been diverted to Macquarie Island instead where he can be just like his hero Hitler and live out his dreams of eternal dictatorship in an Island of suits.

Murdoch's has done some sweetheart deals over time. How he gets away with a monopoly on pay TV (Foxtel) I don't know.

 

[SirRumpole]

.. and every budget since then has been pro growth, investment, lower taxes and it's only now the benefits are showing.

The economy may be going allright superficially, but underneath things may soon head in the opposite direction.

That 'confidence' is supported by debt.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...ges-as-dream-of-home-ownership-fades/10249498

 

[PZ99]

The economy may be going allright superficially, but underneath things may soon head in the opposite direction.

That 'confidence' is supported by debt.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...ges-as-dream-of-home-ownership-fades/10249498

Yes the housing market is ready for a dump for sure. If banks continue raising their loan rates unilaterally it may even force Labor to alter their neg gearing policy to avoid people loosing their houses from negative equity.

 

[Darc Knight]

Sort of explains why Julie Bishop gets grief from Murdoch conservative commentators: Rupert Murdoch wouldn't be happy another Media tycoon (Kerry Stokes) is pulling her strings.

 

[overhang]

I'm concerned that all the media has too much influence, everyone seems to think it is ok, as long as they are singing the song you want to hear. Lol
Unfortunately the door swings both ways, the right wing press, has no more influence than the left wing.
The real problem is they all have too much to say.
Now the left wing press, is bent out of shape, because the right wing press got rid of Turnbull. When it was the left wing press, that got rid of Abbott and replaced him with Turnbull. What a hoot, and you are supposed to take them all seriously.

I really disagree that the right and left wing media have the same amount of influence. No doubt you consider the ABC to be left wing media even though numerous reviews into the ABC has shown no bias, I think the trouble is Murdoch media is so far right that regular readers get a warped sense of what balanced is (this isn't directed at you). When you have Andrew Bolt on page 2 & 3 of the Herald Sun here in Vic then there is an issue. But even if the ABC was biased I really question how much influence it has over those who aren't politically engaged, as imo these people are the swinging voters. I know many people who are politically disengaged, they don't watch the ABC and they certainly don't listen to ABC radio. Yet these same people read the Herald Sun, mostly for the tabloid type of journalism and for the great AFL coverage. I think it's also that the editorial policy is quite easy to get in sync given how many are under the Murdoch banner, the left wing media (Fairfax and the Guardian) are separate entities, they aren't going to have the same editorial policy.

 

[sptrawler]

I really disagree that the right and left wing media have the same amount of influence. No doubt you consider the ABC to be left wing media even though numerous reviews into the ABC has shown no bias, I think the trouble is Murdoch media is so far right that regular readers get a warped sense of what balanced is (this isn't directed at you). When you have Andrew Bolt on page 2 & 3 of the Herald Sun here in Vic then there is an issue. But even if the ABC was biased I really question how much influence it has over those who aren't politically engaged, as imo these people are the swinging voters. I know many people who are politically disengaged, they don't watch the ABC and they certainly don't listen to ABC radio. Yet these same people read the Herald Sun, mostly for the tabloid type of journalism and for the great AFL coverage. I think it's also that the editorial policy is quite easy to get in sync given how many are under the Murdoch banner, the left wing media (Fairfax and the Guardian) are separate entities, they aren't going to have the same editorial policy.

That is the good thing about Australia, everyone can have their own opinion.