Peter Dutton - The Great Pretender?

[sptrawler]

I really disagree that the right and left wing media have the same amount of influence. No doubt you consider the ABC to be left wing media even though numerous reviews into the ABC has shown no bias, I think the trouble is Murdoch media is so far right that regular readers get a warped sense of what balanced is (this isn't directed at you). When you have Andrew Bolt on page 2 & 3 of the Herald Sun here in Vic then there is an issue. But even if the ABC was biased I really question how much influence it has over those who aren't politically engaged, as imo these people are the swinging voters. I know many people who are politically disengaged, they don't watch the ABC and they certainly don't listen to ABC radio. Yet these same people read the Herald Sun, mostly for the tabloid type of journalism and for the great AFL coverage. I think it's also that the editorial policy is quite easy to get in sync given how many are under the Murdoch banner, the left wing media (Fairfax and the Guardian) are separate entities, they aren't going to have the same editorial policy.

To further add to my statement, that everyone has their own opinion, it is glaringly obvious by peoples stance on issues.
Take Trump for example, everyone bags him for being right wing, yet what he is trying to achieve is echoed on this forum by left leaning people. It is just the way the media wish to portray him, and how people translate that portrayal to suit how they perceive Trump to be.

Take for example his application of tarrifs, the media bag him for disrupting trade, then in the same breath say only a handfull of companies are going to return manufacturing to the U.S.A.
Then you read on this forum, left leaning people saying we should be manufacturing here, rather than importing everything. Then they go on the Trump thread, and bag him for the tarrifs.
When Trump had meetings with 'Rocket Man', the left bagged him as pulling off a stunt that will achieve nothing, now we have North and South Korea holding meetings for the first time in decades. So now the left say, wait and see, it will all fall on its ar$e.

When it comes to Abbott, he was suggesting buying Liddell Power Station and or building a Government owned Station, to ensure reliability of supply. You actually had to look hard to see where that was mentioned, because sensible policy especially from non 'green' identities get no acknowledgement at all by the left leaning press.
Yet on this forum, left leaning members constantly suggest the Government should either build or buy into Power Generation.

So like I said, luckily in Australia we can all have our opinion, and no one has the moral high ground.
I'm a person who makes my mind up, by thinking about the logics of the argument, rather than who is making the argument.
I don't care whether it is silly Billy, Turnbull, Bowen, Abbott, Morrison or anyone else, I am not rusted on anything. I'm not right or left by choice, I just tend to believe most should paddle their own canoe, which tends to make me slightly less left I suppose.
With regard the media, they are all as bad as one another IMO, it is up to the reader to to sort the poo from clay.
If they can't do that, they may as well not read it, rather than just blurt it out as fact. IMO
Oh well that killed a bit of time. lol

 

[SirRumpole]

When it comes to Abbott, he was suggesting buying Liddell Power Station and or building a Government owned Station, to ensure reliability of supply. You actually had to look hard to see where that was mentioned, because sensible policy especially from non 'green' identities get no acknowledgement at all by the left leaning press.
Yet on this forum, left leaning members constantly suggest the Government should either build or buy into Power Generation.

Buying an existing power station is not actually manufacturing anything here, and buying an old station that needs maintenance is not an effective use of funds if more efficient power generators like gas , wind or hydro could be built, but Abbott's ideology virtually ruled those options out.

 

[explod]

"BREAKING: a Senate inquiry has found that Peter Dutton misled Parliament when answering my question. Tomorrow I will seek to move a motion of ‘no confidence’ against him. Scott Morrison's Government is in tatters and we need to be ready to fight an election."

"...what’s really exciting is that right now, we have a chance to get rid of him. A Senate inquiry has found that he has misled Parliament, a sackable offence."

From Adam Bandt just now.

 

[Darc Knight]

"BREAKING: a Senate inquiry has found that Peter Dutton misled Parliament when answering my question. Tomorrow I will seek to move a motion of ‘no confidence’ against him. Scott Morrison's Government is in tatters and we need to be ready to fight an election."

"...what’s really exciting is that right now, we have a chance to get rid of him. A Senate inquiry has found that he has misled Parliament, a sackable offence."

From Adam Bandt just now.

How is Adam Brandt going to sack him lol

Adam Brandt drinks more Coffee than I do I reckon

 

[explod]

So it's ok for Dutton to mislead Parliament

 

[Darc Knight]

So it's ok for Dutton to mislead Parliament

No, Dutton is dodgey. But Brandt is a loose cannon at times imo.

 

[overhang]

Take for example his application of tarrifs, the media bag him for disrupting trade, then in the same breath say only a handfull of companies are going to return manufacturing to the U.S.A.
Then you read on this forum, left leaning people saying we should be manufacturing here, rather than importing everything. Then they go on the Trump thread, and bag him for the tarrifs.
When Trump had meetings with 'Rocket Man', the left bagged him as pulling off a stunt that will achieve nothing, now we have North and South Korea holding meetings for the first time in decades. So now the left say, wait and see, it will all fall on its ar$e.

From an Australian prospective the Trump tariffs had a negative impact on our economy, our dollar is still attempting to recover, so naturally Australian media are going to provide coverage based on how this effects Australia. I'm not sure how much credit can be attributed to Trump for the North and South meeting as Trump walked away from their first arranged meeting and it was the South that extended the olive branch to make this happen. But to Trumps credit his strategy has lead to the closest step to peace and stability in Korea since the Korean war.

When it comes to Abbott, he was suggesting buying Liddell Power Station and or building a Government owned Station, to ensure reliability of supply. You actually had to look hard to see where that was mentioned, because sensible policy especially from non 'green' identities get no acknowledgement at all by the left leaning press.
Yet on this forum, left leaning members constantly suggest the Government should either build or buy into Power Generation.

It's not a left leaning position to suggest spending tax payer money on a 45 year old coal power station is a terrible move, the decommission bill alone was estimated at 500 mill to 1 billion. When you say building a government owned station you really mean building a government owned coal power station, that's the only interest Abbott had and it was purely ideologically based. The market won't build one because they're not profitable and don't have a place long term in our energy mix. Moving forward we need dispatchable power generation to compliment our intermittent renewables. Abbotts time as PM did nothing but create uncertainty into investment in our energy sector. It's amazing how the right are all about the free market but when it's at log-heads with their own ideological position they want to adopt socialist polices.

 

[sptrawler]

It's not a left leaning position to suggest spending tax payer money on a 45 year old coal power station is a terrible move, the decommission bill alone was estimated at 500 mill to 1 billion. When you say building a government owned station you really mean building a government owned coal power station, that's the only interest Abbott had and it was purely ideologically based. The market won't build one because they're not profitable and don't have a place long term in our energy mix. Moving forward we need dispatchable power generation to compliment our intermittent renewables. Abbotts time as PM did nothing but create uncertainty into investment in our energy sector. It's amazing how the right are all about the free market but when it's at log-heads with their own ideological position they want to adopt socialist polices.

Going on the information, as presented on here, the electrical system over East, is fast heading toward a position of complete unreliability. This is largely due to the early closure of relatively young large capacity coal fired Power Stations, mostly due to the over exuberance of renewable uptake and a push to stop coal generation.
If the closure of Liddell Power Station, causes widespread outages and system failures, then keeping it going for a further 5 years is a responsible position to take. If it isn't possible to keep it running(which I doubt very much), then its replacement should be considered, be that with coal or gas.
The only reason coal is classed as not profitable, is if the capital outlay is compared with that of renewables, that obviously doesn't factor in the cost of storage for the renewables.
Moving forward as you say, we require dispatchable power to compliment renewables, that means as the system load grows over the immediate future, something big and synchronous will be required.
It is amazing how the left are all about the green future, without a roadmap of how to get there, then when their vision blows up in their faces they look for someone else to take the blame for sorting it out.

 

[Darc Knight]

Peter Dutton sounding very nervous this morning.
Nothing can happen to him as far as I know, but he sounds very nervous. Worried about his Seat at next Election I wonder? Watching his Back maybe?

 

[sptrawler]

Peter Dutton sounding very nervous this morning.
Nothing can happen to him as far as I know, but he sounds very nervous. Worried about his Seat at next Election I wonder? Watching his Back maybe?

The Kardashian's would be nervous, with the amount of media coverage Dutton is getting, some say any advertising is good advertising I bet Dutton doesn't agree.

 

[Junior]

Take Trump for example, everyone bags him for being right wing, yet what he is trying to achieve is echoed on this forum by left leaning people. It is just the way the media wish to portray him, and how people translate that portrayal to suit how they perceive Trump to be.

I don't think it's because he's right wing.

It's the fact he is a narcissistic person with a massive ego. He is arrogant. He is a very unpleasant person, and most of the world can see that.

 

[sptrawler]

I don't think it's because he's right wing.

It's the fact he is a narcissistic person with a massive ego. He is arrogant. He is a very unpleasant person, and most of the world can see that.

I was talking about the reaction to his policies, not the reaction to his persona, but you pretty well summed up his persona.

 

[sptrawler]

From an Australian prospective the Trump tariffs had a negative impact on our economy, our dollar is still attempting to recover, so naturally Australian media are going to provide coverage based on how this effects Australia.

It is a shame they don't spend as much effort, covering how much an unreliable electricity supply will damage business investment and our currency.
I'm sure both issues will impact on Australia and our currency, it is just a shame only one gets the attention it deserves.

 

[Darc Knight]

News Corp reporting Dutton hanging by a thread. Not a popular Man inside the Party, or out.

 

[sptrawler]

News Corp reporting Dutton hanging by a thread. Not a popular Man inside the Party, or out.

It couldn't be newscorp, they wouldn't dare do that to the LNP, has anyone rung Rupert.

Jeez let's get to devcon three, and make a complete retraction, WTF was the reporter thinking. OMG someones ar$e is in a sling for this, give the dude a reference and offload him to Fairfax, before Murdoch touches down in Sydney.

 

[overhang]

Going on the information, as presented on here, the electrical system over East, is fast heading toward a position of complete unreliability. This is largely due to the early closure of relatively young large capacity coal fired Power Stations, mostly due to the over exuberance of renewable uptake and a push to stop coal generation.
If the closure of Liddell Power Station, causes widespread outages and system failures, then keeping it going for a further 5 years is a responsible position to take. If it isn't possible to keep it running(which I doubt very much), then its replacement should be considered, be that with coal or gas.
The only reason coal is classed as not profitable, is if the capital outlay is compared with that of renewables, that obviously doesn't factor in the cost of storage for the renewables.
Moving forward as you say, we require dispatchable power to compliment renewables, that means as the system load grows over the immediate future, something big and synchronous will be required.

Some of the issues in recent times seems to have been down to coal plants tripping. The responsible position to take was the one that Turnbull took by investing in Snowy 2.0, a proven technology that compliments our evolving grid that was already government owned (between states and fed).

It is amazing how the left are all about the green future, without a roadmap of how to get there, then when their vision blows up in their faces they look for someone else to take the blame for sorting it out.

They already have that road map thanks to the CSIRO, https://publications.csiro.au/rpr/download?pid=csiro:EP126455&dsid=DS2

It is a shame they don't spend as much effort, covering how much an unreliable electricity supply will damage business investment and our currency.
I'm sure both issues will impact on Australia and our currency, it is just a shame only one gets the attention it deserves.

We must have been reading different news because the media wouldn't shutup about the SA "unreliable grid" back when those storms caused havoc. Perhaps if the media would stop focusing on African gangs then they might be able to focus on the state of our electrical supply.

 

[sptrawler]

Some of the issues in recent times seems to have been down to coal plants tripping. The responsible position to take was the one that Turnbull took by investing in Snowy 2.0, a proven technology that compliments our evolving grid that was already government owned (between states and fed).

Snowy 2 is 2,000MW, which will take years to build, Liddell is 2,000MW and closing, so how does Snowy 2 help?

They already have that road map thanks to the CSIRO, https://publications.csiro.au/rpr/download?pid=csiro:EP126455&dsid=DS2

Great read molten salt storage, S.A is going to start building the biggest in the World, starting next year it is 150MW and still unproven technology. What do you have to replace, hum about 20,000MW of on call 24/7 available generation?
Best of luck.

We must have been reading different news because the media wouldn't shutup about the SA "unreliable grid" back when those storms caused havoc. Perhaps if the media would stop focusing on African gangs then they might be able to focus on the state of our electrical supply.

Yes and how much of the Eastern States Grid does S.A make up? NOT MUCH.
Wait till the same starts happening throughout Victoria and NSW, then you will hear some screaming.
Thankfully I live in W.A so I really don't care, other than from a professional interest from my working days, I'm retired so it really doesn't bother me on multiple levels.

But will take solice, from your upbeat outlook, I will remind you of it later. lol

 

[overhang]

Snowy 2 is 2,000MW, which will take years to build, Liddell is 2,000MW and closing, so how does Snowy 2 help?

It will take 5+ years to build a new coal power station, if only Abbott had of thought of building Snowy 2 back when he was PM instead of obstructing everything clean energy.

Great read molten salt storage, S.A is building the biggest in the World, starting next year it is 150MW and still unproven technology. What do you have top replace, hum about 20,000MW of on call 24/7 available generation.
Best of luck.

If I recall Tassie Hydro are looking into another 2.5GW, many more sites have been identified around the nation. Perhaps if we didn't allow our gas to be sold to foreign nations for less than we pay for it domestically while also creating a local shortage then gas would make up a greater contingency. At the end of the day if we had the experts saying we need to build coal to maintain a functioning grid then it wouldn't bother me, there are already about 140 odd coal power plants being built around the world, China added over 30GW of coal generation in 2017. So if it come to it I find it foolish that we would have the lights go out because even though we would still be reducing emissions we wouldn't be reducing it by as much if we added the coal when the largest emitters in the world are not even reducing emissions but increasing them. But the experts aren't saying that, the Finkle review didn't say we needed more coal.

 

[sptrawler]

It will take 5+ years to build a new coal power station, if only Abbott had of thought of building Snowy 2 back when he was PM instead of obstructing everything clean energy.

Yes I think I posted that about two months ago, my bad, it will always come back to bite you when you give out information.lol
So now it's Abbott's fault again, like I said all the left leaner's have great ideas until it turns to $hit, then they have to look for someone to blame.
You don't have to worry, it will be all green in about 5-6 years, well that will probably be your water.

If I recall Tassie Hydro are looking into another 2.5GW, many more sites have been identified around the nation. Perhaps if we didn't allow our gas to be sold to foreign nations for less than we pay for it domestically while also creating a local shortage then gas would make up a greater contingency. At the end of the day if we had the experts saying we need to build coal to maintain a functioning grid then it wouldn't bother me, there are already about 140 odd coal power plants being built around the world, China added over 30GW of coal generation in 2017. So if it come to it I find it foolish that we would have the lights go out because even though we would still be reducing emissions we wouldn't be reducing it by as much if we added the coal when the largest emitters in the world are not even reducing emissions but increasing them. But the experts aren't saying that, the Finkle review didn't say we needed more coal.

Well that is because we are leading the World, because we are being driven by a 'green' ideological media wave, I find it amazing the absurdity of it yet everyone is embracing it.
Hey I'm the first to agree with renewables, I've got solar on my house, so does smurph, but to replace the grunt of coal at this point in time is crazy $hit.
I just wish someone would call time, sit back take a breath, and start to make rational calls on the state of the game.

But we have probably drifted well off thread.

 

[overhang]

So now it's Abbott's fault again, like I said all the left leaner's have great ideas until it turns to $hit, then they have to look for someone to blame.
You don't have to worry, it will be all green in about 5-6 years, well that will probably be your water.

I know Abbott is a beacon of shinning light for the right but he is one of the major reasons we haven't had a bipartisan approach to energy policy since 09 when he toppled Turnbull for supporting an ETS.