That's a big, big call.atm theres alot of oil and OPEC can increase production quite a bit
so Oil shouldnt rise between 3-5 yrs at least
I strongly disagree with you there.michael_selway said:atm theres alot of oil and OPEC can increase production quite a bit
so Oil shouldnt rise between 3-5 yrs at least (most likely fall), however every now and then spikes occur liek hurricanes etc
Smurf1976 said:I run my own world oil production model
This is a very complex topic but in short, yes the Saudis do pump very large volumes of sea water into their oil fields, particularly at the Ghawar field (the world's largest).Milk Man said:Don't the Saudi's pump water into their oil fields to make the oil come out faster too? This would mean that supply in these fields wil not slowly dry up but come to an abrupt halt when water comes out the rigs (because oil floats on water). Is this correct? I dont know about the ramifications are for damage but if you pump too much out of a bore then the bedrock wears away around the casing, and if too much wear occurs then the water will escape out the top of the bedrock and the bore is FUBAR. Im pretty sure thats how it works, bottom line: pump to much then bore is FUBAR.
Saudi's = FUBAR
Smurf1976 said:I strongly disagree with you there.
I run my own world oil production model, admittedly not updated this year but still reasonably accurate, and to the best of my understanding there is no significant unused capacity to produce any grade of oil which sufficient numbers of existing refineries can process anywhere in the world including Saudi Arabia.
Except for the Saudis this is backed up by recent US Government stats which show OPEC except Saudi Arabia to be at 100% capacity. It's well accepted that nobody outside of OPEC is sitting on surplus capacity and indeed most of the major non-OPEC producers are post peak anyway.
As for Saudi, they have been consistently unable to produce above the capacity used in my model despite overwhelming incentive in the form of price and all manner of promises to stabilise the market and so on. Once again they ran up production until they hit what I believe to be their maximum (9.6 mmbpd versus historically claimed capacity 10.0 - 10.5 mmbpd which has recently been raised to 10.5 - 11.0 whilst actual production has fallen from 9.6 to 9.5). The last time they were producing significantly above present levels was 25 years ago and even then they only sustained the lower limit of the capacity range they have claimed for decades.
Much of the additional oil relesed to the market in recent years by Saudi is sour, heavy crude for which the world lacks sufficient refineries to process and accordingly it sells at a significant discount. This strongly suggests that they don't have surplus capacity to produce light or medium grades and it is generally accepted by both sides of the debate that nobody outside of Saudi has surplus.
This is not to say that oil is a one way bet. It is not. But I disagree with the notion that there is significant unused production capacity.
The short answer is that numerous countries, more than half of all significant oil producing countries in fact, have experienced a rise, peak and then fall in production volumes. This is fact, not theory as the article asserts.michael_selway said:Hi thx for the info!
http://www.smh.com.au/news/business...wn-petrol-price/2005/11/18/1132016987201.html
Btw do you agree or disagree with this article then?
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