Not sure what to do!

[questionall_42]

YT, this is a public forum, and as a public forum we know that when we post something (anything), anybody can read it. Anybody. And they digest the info along with all their prejudices, desires, greed, $$s, and can subsequently act.

Do people buy based soley on your research - I would have little doubt they would. Is this a problem? No - because people buy and sell for all sorts of reasons: random, technical, fundamental, a nice sounding ticker code, YT's research, most hits on ASF or HC... ... however, will they be consistently profitable?

Captain Chazza:

Anybody who thinks "YOU" can inffluence markets HAS ROCKS in their heads

The markets are so efficient nowadays and have been for nearly a century Even Large Fund Managers can't move markets

Well, maybe large funds could move it; or it is easier for them to move the micro-caps. But regardless, many investment bankers I know do not have time to muck around with these forums - the "real" money is not found/made following ASF postings. The market is bigger than ASF discussions.

I am absorber of information at the moment (in stock market land) and ASF has been awesome as part of my learning curve (which, will never, ever end). I have benefited greatly from yt's research; but I have benefited equally from numerous other posters. Respect. (One day, when time permits, I will give me due and return with some juicy potentially multibagger research... ...)

So why does YT post his research - (and why am i bothering even to reply). Because, chances are, we all spend a fair amount of time perusing, absorbing and replying to threads on ASF. And the more you do, the more you "feel" like a member of the community. And the more you want to contribute and share.

So, YT, keep the research coming. This is a small community. Your work is appreciated greatly.

 

[prawn_86]

hey YT,

i think it is admirable that someone posting on a public forum cares about what happens to that public who might follow their ideas.

imo it is their choice to follow you, and you do clearly state that its only your opinion.

joys of picking winners all the time hey?

 

[alankew]

Yt whatever you decide,I and many other on here will be eternally grateful for sharing your research-your first mention(dont want to call it a tipNTU)will pay for my sons private education so from him and me.THANKSAL

 

[ragstoriches]

Hi YT,

Keep up the good work! As a very new player to the game I am grateful for yours and others insightful analysis. I picked up RMI late May at .055 which from memory was before your posting so don't worry we don't all follow but do like to see your analysis as it helps to see what others see and compare this to what one looks for themselves.

Thanks again.

 

[Joules MM1]

I really really would like to see ASF be locked so that only members can read the individual stock threads,

Either this or maybe a new section created which is locked under fundamental research, or something like that?

What do you guys think?

As a technician I don't follow the posts that closely, however, the fundamental calcs make for good viewing and should not be given or given-away lightly........whatever the altruistic reason for your posting, I highly commend you approach Joe to get a private forum here at asf .......this could be locked and allowed entrance by invite only............however, if someone wants to give away your work then they are merely extending what is already done.........think about the quality and quantity and the current cost to you for that effort.........frankly, you could charge well and get good return for your effort...........should go for the locked forum here, then, make clear to all the invites that an honour system exists.........members would support you.........

.........maybe we could run a poll on the forum.........anybody?

cheers

 

[theasxgorilla]

however, if someone wants to give away your work then they are merely extending what is already done

While your recommendations are making money greed will ensure that people jump all over them. If the issues you are covering don't have enough liquidity to deal with a relative handful of people jumping all over them without skewing their price activity and distorting an alternate version of reality, then the solution to your situation is to reduce the number of people jumping all over the issues you cover or cover different issues. Or accept this version of reality and all that comes with it.

 

[Captain_Chaza]

The problem with Fundamentals Analysis is the Experience and Qualifications of the Analyst

I have never met such an unqualified breed of advisor anywhere on Earth than in chat forums

For Gods' sake
This is only a chat forum where the blind lead the blind and it's great when things are good but also Misery loves company
It works in all markets

To think that anyone who reads a newspaper is an expert in Fundamental Analysis nowadays is ridiculous

Nobody could be that stupid, I think?!

If Push ever gets to Shove re TA v's FA

With any Fundamental Analysis I would like to see some Letters after their post

How else can anyone distinguish between a qualified expert's opinnion and a Ramper?

At least a chart says it all at times and sometimes NOTHING

At least we know where we stand at the time

Salute and Gods Speed

PS
What I am sugesting is maybe Lets' Lock Out all the Fundamentalists without the necessary Tertiary Qualifications to make a reasonable comment

LOL!!!

 

[theasxgorilla]

With any Fundamental Analysis I would like to see some Letters after their post

How else can anyone distinguish between a qualified expert's opinnion and a Ramper?

We'll thanks be to God that you're not at the helm of the ASF ship in this Information Age. Applicable knowledge ought not to be the privelage of those who can afford letters after their names. The 'invisible hand' on ASF does a good job at keeping it real.

 

[Spaghetti]

The problem with Fundamentals Analysis is the Experience and Qualifications of the Analyst

I have never met such an unqualified breed of advisor anywhere on Earth than in chat forums

For Gods' sake
This is only a chat forum where the blind lead the blind and it's great when things are good but also Misery loves company
It works in all markets

To think that anyone who reads a newspaper is an expert in Fundamental Analysis nowadays is ridiculous

Nobody could be that stupid, I think?!

If Push ever gets to Shove re TA v's FA

With any Fundamental Analysis I would like to see some Letters after their post

How else can anyone distinguish between a qualified expert's opinnion and a Ramper?

At least a chart says it all at times and sometimes NOTHING

At least we know where we stand at the time

Salute and Gods Speed

PS
What I am sugesting is maybe Lets' Lock Out all the Fundamentalists without the necessary Tertiary Qualifications to make a reasonable comment

LOL!!!

Some of those charts though are just an illustrated history of unqualified fundamentalists embracing a stock. Little wonder they only work 65% of the time.

 

[ta2693]

Knowing what to buy is not enough to make money in share market. Ppl have to decide when to buy and when to sell. Otherwise they may still end in loss.

 

[nomore4s]

Some of those charts though are just an illustrated history of unqualified fundamentalists embracing a stock. Little wonder they only work 65% of the time.

lol, good comeback.

 

[nomore4s]

I really really would like to see ASF be locked so that only members can read the individual stock threads,

Either this or maybe a new section created which is locked under fundamental research, or something like that?

What do you guys think?

YT I'm not sure if this will work, what is stopping the people at HC that "poach" your analysis from joining up? If people want to get hold of your analysis and use it they will.

Joe's idea is the best with the blog set up where you can decide who sees the info until you're ready to post it in the public forum.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[DR225]

YT,

I am a new member to this forum not to share market. Had some crazy time investing in shares and loosing as well due to wrong timing,learnt my lesson. I admire your great work and analysis, however like the rest, one is responsible for one's own action, if they want to buy blindly you should not be feeling guilty... these people should know the risk involved.
However this is a forum where everyone brings in their experiences, knowledge and share it with others to build up their analytical skills. You should be very proud of yourself where everyone values your input and great research. Based on everyone comments i gather you have made a world of difference to other people's life. Thats what differentiates you and just ignore the lemmings. You have a big fan and their support in this forum.

There are wonderful debates going on here and great place to unwind.

Bottomline, its your decision.

Cheers

Dr 225

 

[YOUNG_TRADER]

Hey guys,

Just so I'm clear (as maybe some are getting me confused) I don't think I'm a guru, I don't think I can move markets and agree that anyone who thinks they can short of a few like Burnake, Kim Jong Ill, Bush etc etc are dreaming

But look everyones right, I shouldn't feel responsible for others, they're responsible for their own actions and must always do their own research or seek professional advice,

As for getting annoyed with poaching my research, its mainly because it denies us ASF'ers the opportunity to buy in as a group, I have gotten to know a few here in "this community" and enjoy sharing my research with them,

Well thanks for the feedback everyone

 

[CanOz]

Well thanks for the feedback everyone

Is it just me or is that disclaimer font size increasing

Good luck YT in whatever you decide.

Cheers,

 

[Duckman#72]

we all spend a fair amount of time perusing, absorbing and replying to threads on ASF. And the more you do, the more you "feel" like a member of the community. And the more you want to contribute and share.

Very well said questionall!!

Let me say firstly - I confess I was one of the members who PM'd Young Trader.

Why, you ask?

Put simply - Possessiveness and Greed.

I'll deal with greed first. I've been a member of ASF since Oct 2005 and while I may haven't been the most prolific of contributors I dare say that I would be one of the most regular followers. Joe's login records would attest to that. I enjoy jumping on the computer of an evening and reviewing the days trading with everyone. Mrs Duckman calls it "talking to your friends". I don't visit HC, nor do I post on any other forum.

In that time I have watched with great interest YT's share analysis. Of the dozen or so shares YT has written positive posts about I have only purchased three (being JMS,HLX and CUL). Whether or not I purchase shares that YT posts about is entirely up to me. I did well out of JMS and HLX, as my exit (with the benefit of hindsight) was very fortunate. When I read that there may have been a PM club my immediate thoughts were "can I please be on it?". I didn't want to lose a perceived "edge". Crazy - sure - but that's greed for you. It had nothing to do with blindly following YT's "picks" and everything to do with being kept in the loop.

Secondly possessiveness. I love the community feel of ASF. I enjoy the familiar feel of login on to Julia's latest post, downloading 2020's latest video footage, talking about Essendon's chances against Collingwood with Constable, just to name a few. In a strange way I think of ASF as "mine". If people were truthful there might be a lot of others that think the same way. Particularly when you've been a member since 2005. You get possessive in some way - with all this talk of HC and stealing information. I just wanted to be part of anything that kept information within ASF.

To YT. You do a great job reporting on ASF and it is the fact that you give so much of yourself to this forum that is so striking. Thankyou. Tech has also done the same on the forum as have Wayne, Kennas, doctorj and so many others.

I am under no illusions - YT is very gifted with his ability to analyse the resource valuations of small companies. Whether or not I buy shares that YT's reports remains my choice, but if YT posts after the price hits his target, then I lose that choice. Human nature is kicking in - is it wrong of me to try to retain the advantage?

Cheers

Duckman

 

[charcoal]

While I dont equate share trading with gambling, on a number of occassions in the past I have been playing blackjack and betting 10-25 dollars, and some guy comes in from behind ands starts back-betting my hands for the table limit, like 500 or 1000 dollars or whatever. Then you have to make a few iffy decisions, and well you can't help but feeling a bit responsible for the way things turn out. But hey its their money and they for whatever reason decided to put their chips down behind yours....just got to forget about and move on....

maybe this is a bad analogy, but i reckon it might be the same kind of thing.

 

[dumpty]

YT I have sat out trading for a long time because I felt that in all my "research" ....a term I use very loosely..... I could never confidently enter a trade longer term or short term knowing that at some point I would maybe exit in front....

So over the past few years I have simply loaded up with BHP to a very reasonable sized holding .....not a bad move.....For the past month I have been trading again and using your detailed (and I believe modestly posted) analysis as the base for seeking further info I have made some very reasonable trades.

I have always been a sharer and it is sad that over the years (all 56 of them) people have done the opposite to me because they thought I was bs-ing them or worse than that put shyte on me claiming my ideas or knowledge as their own. Especially when you want others to enjoy a bit of what you have learnt, created, found, etc

Do what is best for you YT .....but keep sharing .....don't become old and cynical......there's plent out there already....the others have to live with themselves.....I admire your diligence and understanding plus an obvious but of intuiton as well

The Round fat One

 

[Tiberium]

I’m new in the stock market and I have been a member of this forum for only approx. 2 months but I have seen a lot of great analysis from members in the forum and of course that is including your great research, YT. I really enjoy reading your analysis because I could learn and understand more about fundamental research. I’m mostly impressed with you and other people in the forum because you guys are not selfish but are generous in sharing knowledge and ideas to the others. Some ASF’ers might have been spending a lot of their time to help with beginners’ questions, including my question, and I sincerely appreciate the help. Sometimes I feel disappointed to myself because I still can’t contribute research but I wish someday I could pay back and start contributing and sharing my research with ASF’ers.

 

[2020hindsight]

While I dont equate share trading with gambling, on a number of occassions in the past I have been playing blackjack and betting 10-25 dollars, and some guy comes in from behind ands starts back-betting my hands for the table limit, like 500 or 1000 dollars or whatever. Then you have to make a few iffy decisions, and well you can't help but feeling a bit responsible for the way things turn out. But hey its their money and they for whatever reason decided to put their chips down behind yours....just got to forget about and move on....

maybe this is a bad analogy, but i reckon it might be the same kind of thing.

top post charcoal , great analogy