North Korea

[McLovin]

Anyway i just hope they don't do anything too stupid. The other thing i can't figure out is why the Chinese don't shut him up.

I'm running out of quotes but...

Better the devil you know?

From the Chinese perspective, NK is stable. There's no flood of refugees streaming across their borders, and it creates a nice buffer between China and the US military bases in South Korea.

 

[CanOz]

I'm running out of quotes but...

Better the devil you know?

From the Chinese perspective, NK is stable. There's no flood of refugees streaming across their borders, and it creates a nice buffer between China and the US military bases in South Korea.

Fair enough i guess.

Thanks for the perspective McLovin.

CanOz

 

[MrBurns]

Yup, understand and totally agree, but he's so damb young...

Anyway i just hope they don't do anything too stupid. The other thing i can't figure out is why the Chinese don't shut him up.

CanOz

Stupid boy crosses the line the USA retaliates, stupid boy deploys nukes, USA does likewise only bigger........China and Russia jump in against the USA.

Stock market crashes........

 

[CanOz]

Stupid boy crosses the line the USA retaliates, stupid boy deploys nukes, USA does likewise only bigger........China and Russia jump in against the USA.

Stock market crashes........

Not in my lifetime Burnsy!

 

[MrBurns]

Not in my lifetime Burnsy!

You must be getting on

The more nukes there are around the more chance of some nut case getting access......radical Muslims wouldn't hesitate to use them.

 

[CanOz]

You must be getting on

The more nukes there are around the more chance of some nut case getting access......radical Muslims wouldn't hesitate to use them.

Yeah, thats something to worry about...not that we haven't got enough fear in our world already lol..

 

[McLovin]

China and America will not go to war. They are too economically entwined. China and Russia have had a deep mistrust for decades. When Chairman Mao was running Communist China he asked the US for protection from the Soviet Union, so distrustful were the Chinese of Russia. Russia, with its Soviet era military technology, is no position to launch a war on anybody, let alone the only super-power. The US spends the same on its military as the next 20 countries combined. Only the deranged or foolish would consider launching an attack on them, which neither China, Russia or NK are.

It's possible that some non-state actor gets its hands on a nuclear device but highly unlikely. The cost of developing the bomb and sourcing the ingredients is extremely high and the technical know how is restricted to a handful of scientists; ie it's not in textbooks. So those countries that would be most likely to let it fall into the wrong hands, either can't afford to build them or can't afford to lose them. Even then, with a nuclear bomb, you need to know how to detonate it. You can literally fire a missle at a nuclear weapon and it won't detonate. They're incredibly stable.

 

[MrBurns]

What a fractured world we live in for the US to have to go to these lengths, if the US ever falters we're in real trouble.
I wouldn't object to Australia financially supporting the US but whatever we could contribute would be miniscule compared to their costs.

In any case Gillard has flushed any money we had down the toilet.

US to bolster defences to counter N Korean threat

The United States says it will bolster its defences against a possible North Korean missile strike by building a number of new interceptor batteries in Alaska.

Fourteen new interceptors will be built by 2017, boosting the 30 interceptors already deployed along the Californian and Alaskan coastline.

US defence secretary Chuck Hagel says the defensive upgrade is designed to "stay ahead of the threat" as Kim Jong-un's state attempts to marry its bombs to missile technology.

"North Korea in particular has recently made advances in its capabilities and is engaged in a series of irresponsible and reckless provocations," he said.

"By taking the steps I've outlined today, we make clear to the world that the United States stands firm against aggression."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-16/us-to-bolster-defences-to-counter-n-korea-missiles/4577158

 

[Whiskers]

April 15 appears to be hot tip for this dude to test his luck again.

Yonhap news agency was reporting North Korea had moved an intermediate-range missile to its east coast in a display of military power.

It had not been confirmed whether the missile was carrying a warhead, but multiple sources told Yonhap Pyongyang was likely to fire it off around April 15, when North Koreans celebrate the birthday of its founder Kim Il-sung. http://www.news-mail.com.au/news/china-and-us-have-chance-rebuild-trust-kevin-rudd/1818087/

Will this be WW111 or will South Korea, and the US respond in kind plus some... probably before the thing even hits the ground?

Given the number of previous attacks against the south, I can't see these guys backing down until someone gives them a decent kick up the a@se.

 

[Calliope]

April 15 appears to be hot tip for this dude to test his luck again.



Will this be WW111 or will South Korea, and the US respond in kind plus some... probably before the thing even hits the ground?

What ever happened to World Wars 3 to 110.?

 

[McLovin]

April 15 appears to be hot tip for this dude to test his luck again.



Will this be WW111 or will South Korea, and the US respond in kind plus some... probably before the thing even hits the ground?

Given the number of previous attacks against the south, I can't see these guys backing down until someone gives them a decent kick up the a@se.

China won't let NK start WW3. It seems like Fat Boy is in some sort of power struggle. They've done this dance before, but they're getting very close to the line between brinkmanship and war. Sweaty hands on triggers is never a sensible situation.

 

[Calliope]

Dear Leader or just a fat porker?



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ed-amid-tensions/story-e6frg6so-1226613037611

 

[Gringotts Bank]

China won't let NK start WW3. It seems like Fat Boy is in some sort of power struggle. They've done this dance before, but they're getting very close to the line between brinkmanship and war. Sweaty hands on triggers is never a sensible situation.

You're quite good on the history/politics stuff, McL.

 

[McLovin]

You're quite good on the history/politics stuff, McL.

Thanks

If you look at a map, you get some idea of the strategic "buffer" zone that NK provides China. Basically, all of China's Pacific approaches have a US military presence or are strongly allied to the US (ROK, Japanese mainland, Okinawa, Taiwan, Philippines). All those territory disputes China keeps having over unoccupied islands in the Pacific are aimed at reducing the US's power in China's immediate region. Were NK to fail China would face an American allied, unified Korea with US military bases on its border. That idea is probably as untenable to the Chinese as Mexico agreeing to having Chinese combat troops stationed there is to the US.

The Chinese also know that the countries that are not allied with the US expect China to do their bit in maintaining stability in the region. If NK gets out of hand, those countries in the middle ground are likely to move closer to the US as a response.

 

[Boggo]

Beat him to it !

 

[tech/a]

Hes not the brightest dictator out there.

(The bright ones keep very quiet).

You don't take on the the guys that A bomb'd Japan
and have enough Nukes to destroy every capital city that matters,
that have a war office that just live for go hard's like Him and a CIA who
don't stop when it comes to whipping out threats---permanently
its a new agenda.

Ill guarantee that in 12 mths time it will be Kim Jong --who?
It will be internal and permanent.The yanks have worked that out!
Just ask Gedaffi!

Is he related to Ma Jong.

 

[drsmith]

I think that if he does anything really silly, then it's a sign that China wants to go to war.

 

[bellenuit]

Read on a website today: "If the current threats from North Korea happened when George Bush was president, he would have already invaded Cambodia".

 

[Whiskers]

I think that if he does anything really silly, then it's a sign that China wants to go to war.

Do you really think China would want to go to war with the US while owed abt 1 trillion USD? I'd imagine it would be in the US favor if war broke out to cancel the debt.

Read on a website today: "If the current threats from North Korea happened when George Bush was president, he would have already invaded Cambodia".

Poor old GWB!


Seriously though, Kim Jong-un is dissilussional... family history. Some allowance must be made for that in his rationale.

He is just itching to take back the south and like Japan in WW2, I expect he thinks he can take out places like Guam to slow the US enough to over run the south and expect China and maybe even Russia to come to his aid in event of war with the US to hold it.

I think the US knows neither China or Russia will go to war to support him and hence their intention to strike back hard and fast, all the way... like GB senior wished he'd done with Iraq. Could be another of those one weekish types of wars like the Falklands and Israel Egypt war where the tension and preperation was there ready to go.

 

[sptrawler]

You must be getting on

The more nukes there are around the more chance of some nut case getting access......radical Muslims wouldn't hesitate to use them.

That's right, apparently they pick up a lot of chicks.

Imagine trying to sell that here.