North Korea

[MrBurns]

Does anyone else think there is something nasty on the horizon with this regime ?

They're crazy and they have nukes, it doesnt get much worse than that.

 

[moXJO]

Does anyone else think there is something nasty on the horizon with this regime ?

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Yes they may bring back Mash on TV, or even worse make an updated Mash

 

[prawn_86]

The US is crazy and has nukes.

Where's the difference?

*starts singing Team America song*

 

[Sean K]

I don't think they're that silly. They'll push the US (maybe even the West this time) to the brink in order to get some sort of concessions like free food, or cash, and then conceed. Until they need some more free food, and cash, later on and the music starts again ... Hm, actually Saddam tried that too didn't he.

 

[MrBurns]

The US is crazy and has nukes.

Where's the difference?

*starts singing Team America song*

There crazy and then there's crazy. this lot are in the worst category and will either attack or make the nukes available to those that are even crazier, someone like the Taliban, at least here in Australia we'll have a few hours notice after California has disappeared before one arrives here.

 

[MrBurns]

I don't think they're that silly. They'll push the US (maybe even the West this time) to the brink in order to get some sort of concessions like free food, or cash, and then conceed. Until they need some more free food, and cash, later on and the music starts again ... Hm, actually Saddam tried that too didn't he.

The more they push the more others have to give in the closer we get to the moment when some idiot pushes the button, the Yanks have proven they wont use nukes (ok except WW11)but these people dont instill me with that feeling, I think one day one of these fools will just do it.

 

[happytown]

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They'll push the US (maybe even the West this time) to the brink ...

tend to think the pushing will be (read is) coming from the other side

people seem to forget that the right of self defence in international affairs applies to all

indeed the icj in their decision regarding the use of nuclear weapons in strict self defence did not rule them out (the use thereof)

as to the ridiculous and patently false claim that the us will not use nuclear weapons, the us has declared publicly it will (in strategic defence policies available for anyone to read)

only yesterday sec of state clintonium 235 stated that the us nuclear umbrella extends over israel as well as a number of nations and that uncle scam would react massively to any iranian nuclear attack on israel (this depite the fact that both the iaea and us intelligence state that iran does not currently have a nuclear weapons program)

further, and indeed germane here, it has been reported that recently the south korean govt recieved a written guarantee that the nuclear umbrella extands over them as well

cheers

 

[Timmy]

people seem to forget that the right of self defence in international affairs applies to all

Even to loopy military dictatorships that murder their own citizens.

as to the ridiculous and patently false claim that the us will not use nuclear weapons, the us has declared publicly it will (in strategic defence policies available for anyone to read)

I know the US used nuclear weapons to end WW2, obviously I have missed all the other times they have used them. Must have been watching The Simpsons instead of the news that night.

further, and indeed germane here, it has been reported that recently the south korean govt recieved a written guarantee that the nuclear umbrella extands over them as well

Good. Being a democracy that allows its citizens to live, and to eat, and to have families, and to travel, I am glad.

 

[happytown]

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I know the US used nuclear weapons to end WW2, obviously I have missed all the other times they have used them. Must have been watching The Simpsons instead of the news that night.

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i don't believe anyone on this thread has stated that they have used them (in anything but a testing scenario) since they used them in ww2, correct me if i am wrong

cheers

 

[Timmy]

i don't believe anyone on this thread has stated that they have used them (in anything but a testing scenario) since they used them in ww2, correct me if i am wrong

cheers

So thats the best you can do by way of response?

You may have missed a more important point, I'll spell it out real simple for you: North Korea is an example of a

military dictatorship that murder their own citizens.

Correct me if I am wrong (and I don't mean the grammar).

 

[Julia]

The concern at present is for the two American journalists who were captured I think at the border, have been charged with I don't know what, and sentenced to 12 years hard labour. It's not hard to imagine the North Koreans took this opportunity to have a bargaining point with the U.S.

 

[MrBurns]

The concern at present is for the two American journalists who were captured I think at the border, have been charged with I don't know what, and sentenced to 12 years hard labour. It's not hard to imagine the North Koreans took this opportunity to have a bargaining point with the U.S.

Evil people with nukes worry me.

 

[prawn_86]

But why should that be any other countries responsibility Timmy?

Ultimately it has to be the general populous that rises up if they want change, and only when they are ready. Thats how every other revoloution has gone down, and other countires meddling just tends to make things worse

 

[Timmy]

Prawn - not saying it anyone's responsibility (even though I do believe anything we can do to depose this state is a good thing - but I also take your point about the potential to make things worse), what I am saying here is that a state (Nth Korea) run by a military dictatorship that murders and starves its own population should be deprived of getting access to nuclear weapons.

 

[Timmy]

Evil people with nukes worry me.

Yep, thank-you Mr. B.

 

[happytown]

So thats the best you can do by way of response?

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being factual ... yes

are you inferring that i said that the us has used nuclear weapons post-ww2 other than in a testing scenario

as to your statement that you think north korea is a loopy military dictatorship that kills its own citizens and the inference that they therefore do not have the right to self defence against external aggressors (including but not limited to those who have stated publicly that they are prepared to use nuclear weapons in potential future conflicts), you are absolutely entitled to that opinion

i will state again, all countries are, under international law, entitled to act in self defence and this currently does not explicitly exclude the use of nuclear weapons

this includes north korea

cheers

 

[Timmy]

Thanks for the lesson on international law.

What does international law say about mass murder of its own people by a state?

Given the position of international law is clear, do you have any view on the desirability of Nth. Korea having nuclear weapons?

 

[happytown]

Thanks for the lesson on international law.

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happy to help those in the dark timmy

cheers

 

[Timmy]

Thanks happytown - any time I need some conveyancing I'll know where to send it!

I don't think they're that silly. They'll push the US (maybe even the West this time) to the brink in order to get some sort of concessions like free food, or cash, and then conceed. Until they need some more free food, and cash, later on and the music starts again ... Hm, actually Saddam tried that too didn't he.

Yes he did. Just once too often ...

 

[happytown]

Thanks happytown - any time I need some conveyancing I'll know where to send it!

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a few too many assumptions there timmy

cheers