Knobby, this to me is my pet hate with politics, if you read through the posts from 4550, on the previous page all the examples are there.NBN backflip!
Fibre to the home and its going to create jobs. Umm, suppose this thread is now redundant.
What was short sighted, was to start the roll out in marginal residential areas, rather than business CBS's, but let's just omit that.Well well, what a backflip, almost like all the experts were correct. The Labor NBN was never about the now, it was about future proofing. And here we are 6-7 years later after the Libs ripped up the plan and now they realize the billions we have spent on FTTN is now effectively obsolete.
Whilst this is still a step in the right direction it's still has the same issues the Lib rollout was had from the start, the digital divide will still be there and given that 2 million of the 4.7 million FTTN homes has been foreshadowed to be upgraded then it will be NBN lotto all over again.
All though details aren't clear yet it can't work like how it sounds, Not everyone who orders a high speed plan will receive fibre to the home. I think how this will work is that they will upgrade select areas or streets from FTTN to FTTC, then those that order a high speed plan inside that area would receive the lead in to the home that gives FTTP. How they decide which area's would be upgraded is unknown, prob like the sports rorts it will be a spread sheet where the blue area's get it and the red area's miss out. Again though it's just costing us more when they should do the 4.7 million to FTTC so that we get that economics of scale cost reduction instead of coming back and do the other 2.7 million in another 6 years.
One issue with how shortsighted the Libs NBN has been is that all though they acknowledged in early days that FTTN would need to be upgraded down the track they never mandated that new developments required FTTP, so we have many new developments still using copper that will no doubt need to be upgraded with tax payer $$$ to FTTC.
What was short sighted, was to start the roll out in marginal residential areas, rather than business CBS's, but let's just omit that.
Agreed
The other thing that was dumb was to run fibre to every house, when only a few actually need, or indeed want it.
How many renter's want to pay for a high speed internet plan, how many old people want an internet connection at all, how many would prefer wireless anyway?
Anyway, it is what it is and time will tell if it was a great idea or a white elephant.
I agree fibre to the kerb makes the most sense of all, that then leaves it up to those that actually want or need it, with the opportunity to upgrade later and would save the taxpayer from footing the last and worst bit of the connection.Well no, as it turns out it wasn't a stupid plan, evidenced by the coalition now wanting to go back to the same pits that techs worked in over the last 6 years where in some cases they ran new copper and replace it with fibre, that my friend is the definition of stupid. As to who wants high speed plans the stats show the large increase in uptake of high speed plans, and it would be higher just so many can't access greater than 50mb speeds anyway. Old people probably don't want or require high speeds but many renters do, as they are young and live in the digital age with Netflix subscriptions etc.
Wireless will never become the main service median, I can't even get 2 bars of 4g in the local bunnings, the packet loss on 5g is huge, but they certainly can co-exist together.
The time is now for FTTN. In the perfect world I think the rollout should have been FTTC with users to pay for the lead in if they require higher speeds.
and the land line phone still works during a blackout.
Well that post was in 2012 and now the time is closing in, enjoy 'live and free' while we still can.It won't be free to air in a few years it will all come through the internet via the governments filter.:1zhelp:
Then not only will the government know what you are watching, you will be paying to watch "free to air"
A post from a few years ago and early signs are starting to show.Now add to the previous post and the discussion of 5G small cells, autonomous driving cars.
https://www.techradar.com/news/why-self-driving-vehicles-could-be-the-biggest-winner-in-a-5g-world
If this is all correct, fibre to the node, with a 5G cell in the node, may well have been a master stroke.
If heavy coverage of 5G is the pre requisite for autonomous cars, and it can deliver high speed to the home, Malcolm has pulled off a blinder, each node becomes a 5G cell tower.
It also ensures that the NBN, isn't made redundant, as 5G is rolled out.
As I always say time will tell ,and just because the media say something is crap, doesn't always make it so. lol
Such an interesting time with the internet yesterday which spilled over to this morning.
A very prescient comment from @sptrawler .That is an assumption, being a sparky what the Libs did was cut the most time consuming part from the job, getting the cable from the street into the house.
That part of the job would have added a huge amount to the labor content, the fact is the whole system will be obsolete within 20 years, people want the ability to take their internet on the go, so 5G and wireless will take over the bulk of private usage.
The NBN will be used for big business data streaming, because it is secure point to point and their connection will be fibre all the way.
With regard private residential, the NBN will end up just being cable T.V and fibre to the house isn't really required. If someone does want it they will be able to get their provider to upgrade their cable to the node. Got to go (kids)
Unfortunately for us out here in regional Australia, we are unlikely to see much of the vaunted 5G services.The NBN faces a slide in demand as retailers ramp up the sales pitch on cheaper, faster 5G offerings – as the competition watchdog considers a proposal from the broadband network that could see internet bills double in a decade.
More than a quarter of Australians consider their phone and internet costs to be unaffordable, a recent study from the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network (ACCAN) found, and retailers are now increasingly pushing wireless 5G plans which in many cases are superior – and less expensive – than those offered by NBN.
In May TPG’s subsidiary brands launched a new $60 per month 5G home internet service that the telco said offers superior value compared to NBN’s 50 megabit per second plans and is particularly customers keeping a close eye on their budget. Home 5G typically offers speeds of between 100 and 600 megabits per second, which in many cases is as much as 12-times the speed of NBN’s 50 megabits per second plans.
TPG executives say the migration of every 100,000 NBN customers back onto its own infrastructure represents around $50m in annual savings for the telco.
Since launching its 4G and 5G home broadband services last year, it has signed up more than 110,000 customers nationally.
The eldest son is on a 100acre block down South, way out of town, they have three teenagers and use satellite internet.A very prescient comment from @sptrawler .
From The Evil Murdoch empire
Unfortunately for us out here in regional Australia, we are unlikely to see much of the vaunted 5G services.
The short range of the 5G network mean that a lot of Antenna have to be mounted to provide coverage, so it will be uneconomic in less populated areas.
So we will be saddled with higher prices for a slower service.
Mick
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