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The good old NBN, the biggest con ever perpetrated on the Aussie taxpayer, now it looks like you are going to get a service charge on it even if you aren't connected to it.
What a Brain Fart of an idea, get the tax payer to replace the telecommunication network that the telecommunication company owned, so that the telecommunication companies can charge you more to use it. Priceless.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/broadband-tax-announced-by-government-012626031.html

Under the bill, announced by Communications Minister Paul Fletcher, households and businesses not using the NBN will be hit with a $7.10 monthly fee. That’s $85 Over the course of the year.
The proceeds of that tax would be used to fund the future costs of commercially nonviable parts of the NBN network, and reduce reliance on the federal budget.

The bill, if passed, would see Australians taxed from July 2020. It was first introduced in 2018.
 
sptrawler said:
The good old NBN, the biggest con ever perpetrated on the Aussie taxpayer, now it looks like you are going to get a service charge on it even if you aren't connected to it.
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I'm not against technology but the idea of charging someone for a service they choose to not use is totally unreasonable in my view.

What next? Woolworths charges me for their provision of a supermarket that I don't use?

Mazda send me a bill because there's a Mazda dealership not far away and I should have bought a car from them?

Whoever the local council at Port Headland is sends me a bill on the basis that by not living there I'm avoiding paying their rates and that as a tourist I once used a public toilet?

The concept is ridiculous yes. What it does confirm though is that no matter which party's in government, they'll take your money if they can get it. :2twocents
 
I see a couple of problems here
1.You went to Port Hedland as a tourist!!! What were you thinking?
2.If the sewerage runs past your house in WA you pay whether connected or not
Don’t agree with it but nothing new

FTTC in my Street is awesome super fast and so far reliable
 
sptrawler said:
The good old NBN, the biggest con ever perpetrated on the Aussie taxpayer, now it looks like you are going to get a service charge on it even if you aren't connected to it.
What a Brain Fart of an idea, get the tax payer to replace the telecommunication network that the telecommunication company owned, so that the telecommunication companies can charge you more to use it. Priceless.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/broadband-tax-announced-by-government-012626031.html

Under the bill, announced by Communications Minister Paul Fletcher, households and businesses not using the NBN will be hit with a $7.10 monthly fee. That’s $85 Over the course of the year.
The proceeds of that tax would be used to fund the future costs of commercially nonviable parts of the NBN network, and reduce reliance on the federal budget.

The bill, if passed, would see Australians taxed from July 2020. It was first introduced in 2018.
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Your franking credits should offset it
Stop moaning you voted for them。
 
Humid said:
Not surprising you jet setter
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You bet, this bloody virus is a bit of a worry, booked to go Yokohama to Vancouver in April, then the U.S and back.
The main problem is a while back, I booked a 10 day tour of China and cruise back to Freo from Shanghai in October, hopefully it is all over by then.
If not I may well have done my dough, but if silly Billy had got in I wouldn't have had it anyway, always look on the bright side.:p
 
sptrawler said:
The NBN should never have been a taxpayer funded project in the first place, but trust the media to find some way to apportion the blaming to the wrong part of the argument, good old confuse the plebs with nonsense rather than the real issue.
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The point is what they did when they inherited it
It happened you need to deal with it and accept the Libs gave us a substandard service for the basic same price
 
Humid said:
The point is what they did when they inherited it
It happened you need to deal with it and accept the Libs gave us a substandard service for the basic same price
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That is an assumption, being a sparky what the Libs did was cut the most time consuming part from the job, getting the cable from the street into the house.
That part of the job would have added a huge amount to the labor content, the fact is the whole system will be obsolete within 20 years, people want the ability to take their internet on the go, so 5G and wireless will take over the bulk of private usage.
The NBN will be used for big business data streaming, because it is secure point to point and their connection will be fibre all the way.
With regard private residential, the NBN will end up just being cable T.V and fibre to the house isn't really required. If someone does want it they will be able to get their provider to upgrade their cable to the node. Got to go (kids)
 
Jesus if your not prepared to read it I’ll post it for you

Second, and as mentioned above, former Communications Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, abandoned plans to build a fibre to the premise (FTTP) network across the majority of the country, instead replacing it with a multi-technology mix that included previously retired copper cabling. This change was marketed as a cost-saving move. However, the huge amount of rectification works required quickly saw the price tag for the NBN surge from an expected $30 billion to around $50 billion.
 
sptrawler said:
That is an assumption, being a sparky what the Libs did was cut the most time consuming part from the job, getting the cable from the street into the house.
That part of the job would have added a huge amount to the labor content, the fact is the whole system will be obsolete within 20 years, people want the ability to take their internet on the go, so 5G and wireless will take over the bulk of private usage.
The NBN will be used for big business data streaming, because it is secure point to point and their connection will be fibre all the way.
With regard private residential, the NBN will end up just being cable T.V and fibre to the house isn't really required. If someone does want it they will be able to get their provider to upgrade their cable to the node. Got to go (kids)
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Assumption and then waffle on about 5g lol
Whose assuming
I stay in a camp in Hedland where there’s a 4g tower next door
Works great until everyone knocks off at 6
 
Humid said:
Assumption and then waffle on about 5g lol
Whose assuming
I stay in a camp in Hedland where there’s a 4g tower next door
Works great until everyone knocks off at 6
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That's because of bandwidth, 3g was better than 2g, 4g is better than 3g, 5g is 10 times better than 4g, they are trailing 6,7 and even 8g.
Times move on and like I said everyone will be wireless for personal use within 20years.
There is a lot of info around, here is a quick one.
https://www.technopediasite.com/2018/06/countries-using-ultra-fast-7g-and-8g.html
From the article:
Sixth Generation (6G)
6G is proposed to integrate 5G with satellite networks for global coverage.It is considered to be a cheap and Fast Internet Technology to provide unbelievably high data rates or very fast Internet speed access on air through wireless and mobile devices possibly up to 11 Gbps, while travelling or in a remote location.

Advantage of 6G Technology


  • Ultra fast access of Internet.
  • Data rates will be up to 10-11 Gbps.
  • Home automation and other related applications.
  • Smart Homes, Cities and Villages.
  • May be used in the production of Energy from galactic world.
  • Space technology, Defense applications will be modified with 6G networks.
  • Home based ATM systems.
  • Satellite to Satellite Communication for the development of mankind.
  • Natural Calamities will be controlled with 6G networks.
  • Sea to Space Communication.
  • Mind to Mind Communication may be possible.
7G Deals with Space roaming
After 4G the next generation 5G aims a real wireless world with no limitations while 6G integrates 5G with satellite networks. Due to variable technologies and standards, with 6G handoff/roaming will be an issue. This drives the 7G of mobile wireless networks which aims to acquire space roaming
 
Humid said:
Jesus if your not prepared to read it I’ll post it for you

Second, and as mentioned above, former Communications Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, abandoned plans to build a fibre to the premise (FTTP) network across the majority of the country, instead replacing it with a multi-technology mix that included previously retired copper cabling. This change was marketed as a cost-saving move. However, the huge amount of rectification works required quickly saw the price tag for the NBN surge from an expected $30 billion to around $50 billion.
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That $30B was a back of the napkin brain fart, but i guess you can believe anything you want, it is your prerogative.
The cost of the original plan was never tested, because they were thrown out, as no one believed them.
A bit like the cost to the economy of silly Billie's plan was never tested, because no one believed him either.:xyxthumbs
You will always have the rusted on, which is good because you wouldn't have an opposition without them.
 
Ok whatever forget the cost
Look at the crap result we ended up with due to the Libs
A mixed technology no better than the copper wire it replaced in so many areas.
FTTP would of kept the economy ticking over but your lot don’t seem to want that
Obsessed with surplus and Hawaii
 
Humid said:
Ok whatever forget the cost
Look at the crap result we ended up with due to the Libs
A mixed technology no better than the copper wire it replaced in so many areas.
FTTP would of kept the economy ticking over but your lot don’t seem to want that
Obsessed with surplus and Hawaii
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I don't disagree with you on the Coalition, they are crap, it is just I thought they were going to do less damage than the other lot.
With regard the NBN, I really think it was a waste of taxpayers money, Telstra, Optus/Singtel and Vodaphone would have had to have done it anyway, the copper network was shagged so if they wanted to stay in business they would have had to fix it.
It was just a waste of taxpayers money, and now because we the tax payer are stuck with it, we are going to have to keep working on it so that Telstra, Optus, Vodaphone, TPG and anyone else can charge us to use it.
Just crazy $hit.
The money spent on the NBN could have been spent on infrastructure we needed, not to replace private infrastructure already there.
Just my opinion, I hated the idea when it was floated and I hate it now, all that is going to happen is it will end up like domestic water you pay a service charge for it even if you don't use it. Mind numbingly dumb.
 
The NBN is as Humid says was good until Turnbull basically saved it from destruction from Abbott but increased the cost while decreasing the fibre.

Unlikely wireless will ever replace it if you want speed and bandwidth as each generation of wireless gets eaten up by technology, 5G onwards no different as transport automation takes off etc.

And remember the government had to build if it was to reach rural areas plus unlike private capital the government will see a return of sorts on the investment
 

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