NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sydboy007]

Just had the fibre run to my joint and have the box on the outside wall, the excitement builds, going live some time in the next 6 months.

Dun get too excited. The install at the FTTN trial sites ain't going too well

2WOYY is now February 2016 having in the last month slipped form November to December and now to February.

Doesn't bode well for the national rollout.

 

[ghotib]

Dun get too excited. The install at the FTTN trial sites ain't going too well

2WOYY is now February 2016 having in the last month slipped form November to December and now to February.

Doesn't bode well for the national rollout.

2WOYY? WOT???

 

[IFocus]

Dun get too excited. The install at the FTTN trial sites ain't going too well

2WOYY is now February 2016 having in the last month slipped form November to December and now to February.

Doesn't bode well for the national rollout.

Yeah actually there is a real bun fight going on in my area with IInet not delivering the speed as advertized 100 Mbps verse getting 2 Mbps. IInet are scrambling to up grade the exchange hard ware to handle the traffic.

I am reasonably confident I'll get NBN before years end as the progress has been as advertised so far the local contractors seem to have their act together.

 

[sydboy007]

2WOYY? WOT???

2WOYY - an FTTN node in Wyong. One of the "trial" stealth rollout sites. The 1000 node rollout that was announced with much fan fare well over a year ago but has yet to sell a single service.

I'm not sure how much faster I can cope with, they way the FTTN rollout is running at.

 

[sydboy007]

Yeah actually there is a real bun fight going on in my area with IInet not delivering the speed as advertized 100 Mbps verse getting 2 Mbps. IInet are scrambling to up grade the exchange hard ware to handle the traffic.

I am reasonably confident I'll get NBN before years end as the progress has been as advertised so far the local contractors seem to have their act together.

The sad fact is the CVC cost from NBN makes providing adequate bandwidth to users difficult.

With the advent of Netflix taking off, customers need a minimum 2Mbs to stream. To provide that in the ~1800-2300 peak period currently costs $35 a month. You then need to add in the AVC cost per subscriber which is a minimum of $24 a month, then the backhaul from the POI to the RSP's network, transit links, peering links, staff costs, hardware, rent and the rest.

It's analogous to the electricity network in terms of provisioning for peak usage, though in this case there's no regulated return on investment so we need to either stump up the cash to cope with the peak demand, or accept the congestion.

 

[ghotib]

2WOYY - an FTTN node in Wyong. One of the "trial" stealth rollout sites. The 1000 node rollout that was announced with much fan fare well over a year ago but has yet to sell a single service.

I'm not sure how much faster I can cope with, they way the FTTN rollout is running at.

I did wonder if 2WOYY was some kind of 4-character code for Woy Woy. Pretty close, eh?

Thank you

(and Spike Milligan)

 

[Smurf1976]

It's analogous to the electricity network in terms of provisioning for peak usage, though in this case there's no regulated return on investment so we need to either stump up the cash to cope with the peak demand, or accept the congestion.

Or we could just do what is actually done with electricity and encourage bulk downloading to occur at off-peak times.

Off-peak electric hot water = basically a bulk download of energy from the grid.

Watching a movie = no real reason why the same can't be done other than the likes of Netflix intentionally making it difficult.

By all means stream in real time at 7pm if you like, but that ought to cost more than downloading the same movie at midnight.

 

[sydboy007]

Or we could just do what is actually done with electricity and encourage bulk downloading to occur at off-peak times.

Off-peak electric hot water = basically a bulk download of energy from the grid.

Watching a movie = no real reason why the same can't be done other than the likes of Netflix intentionally making it difficult.

By all means stream in real time at 7pm if you like, but that ought to cost more than downloading the same movie at midnight.

Yes, I think the Netflix model is in some ways wrong. It does need to allow some for off off peak caching to limit the peak demands. I think it's more of an issue getting the content owners to allow this than something Netflix is forcing. Possibly they could start allowing their original content to be downloaded on a scheduled basis. Might force other content owners to follow, though with a few ISPs offering unmetered access to netflix they're actually sending the wrong pricing signal.

Most ISPs already have peak / off peak download limits to try and encourage bulk downloads to occur in off peak.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes, I think the Netflix model is in some ways wrong. It does need to allow some for off off peak caching to limit the peak demands. I think it's more of an issue getting the content owners to allow this than something Netflix is forcing. Possibly they could start allowing their original content to be downloaded on a scheduled basis. Might force other content owners to follow, though with a few ISPs offering unmetered access to netflix they're actually sending the wrong pricing signal.

Most ISPs already have peak / off peak download limits to try and encourage bulk downloads to occur in off peak.

My daughter is getting netflix and having Telstra air installed, does anyone know if this Telstra air is reasonable speed? Don't mean to hijack the thread, just a quick question.

 

[sydboy007]

My daughter is getting netflix and having Telstra air installed, does anyone know if this Telstra air is reasonable speed? Don't mean to hijack the thread, just a quick question.

Telstra Air is a platform they're rolling out where they have wifi hot spots on pay phones and other locations. It allows you to use some of your exisiting download limit while out of home. Could save you on mobile data.

The system can also share your home wifi with others. When overseas you can use wifi via FON.

Telstra Air will have little bearing on Netflix. That will depend on what kind of internet access your daughter has at home.

 

[sptrawler]

Telstra Air is a platform they're rolling out where they have wifi hot spots on pay phones and other locations. It allows you to use some of your exisiting download limit while out of home. Could save you on mobile data.

The system can also share your home wifi with others. When overseas you can use wifi via FON.

Telstra Air will have little bearing on Netflix. That will depend on what kind of internet access your daughter has at home.

She has moved home with us and wants to install her own internet, to reduce the chance of conflict, with us.

Therefore she is having Telstra install a modem and says it is on Telstra air, as she is deaf, this sometimes leads to her being taken for a ride.

I thought I would ask my learned friends on the forum, prior to Telstra arriving at the door, if there is something we should be aware of.

 

[drsmith]

I thought I would ask my learned friends on the forum, prior to Telstra arriving at the door, if there is something we should be aware of.

Telstra have an interactive map of where the sites are.

http://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/...uery=Honour Avenue, Bicton WA 6157, Australia

More info,

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/06/telstras-nationwide-wi-fi-network-is-now-called-air/

 

[trainspotter]

NBN cable rolled out in my area recently and they upgraded the pit out the front of my place. Speed went from 1560Kbs down to 57Kbs (slower then dialup) so I contacted my ISP and they put in a fault claim. Telstra man turned up and opened the pit. It appears they joined BOTH my incoming lines together (one for ADSL and alarm system) and the other for home phone

Yeahhh can't wait for the NBN ... Telstra man also said my speed is as good as what NBN will be offering in the area

 

[IFocus]

The sad fact is the CVC cost from NBN makes providing adequate bandwidth to users difficult.

With the advent of Netflix taking off, customers need a minimum 2Mbs to stream. To provide that in the ~1800-2300 peak period currently costs $35 a month. You then need to add in the AVC cost per subscriber which is a minimum of $24 a month, then the backhaul from the POI to the RSP's network, transit links, peering links, staff costs, hardware, rent and the rest.

It's analogous to the electricity network in terms of provisioning for peak usage, though in this case there's no regulated return on investment so we need to either stump up the cash to cope with the peak demand, or accept the congestion.

You nailed it Syd

 

[sptrawler]

Telstra have an interactive map of where the sites are.

http://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/...uery=Honour Avenue, Bicton WA 6157, Australia

More info,

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/06/telstras-nationwide-wi-fi-network-is-now-called-air/

Thanks doc, I will show her the links, to help her understand more about it.

By the way you were spot on about the Roe Hwy/ Freeway interchange, looks like a winner. Two more lanes added to the Bibra Lake overpass. yippeee.

 

[drsmith]

Thanks doc, I will show her the links, to help her understand more about it.

By the way you were spot on about the Roe Hwy/ Freeway interchange, looks like a winner. Two more lanes added to the Bibra Lake overpass. yippeee.

All 4 southbound lanes should be open to traffic later this month if there's not too much crappy weather.

 

[sptrawler]

All 4 southbound lanes should be open to traffic later this month if there's not too much crappy weather.

Aleluya, there is someone with foresight.

 

[sydboy007]

Just before the 2013 election MT was doing a grand launch with OpenNetworks at Sydney Park Village(10 min walk from my house). he was lauding them building a FTTN network in the Apartment complex (it was really FTTB but hey in the rough and tumble of an election what's a bit of misdirection).

So what did MT say during his launching of the network?

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/c...script-launch-of-openetworks-3-september-2013

At the event, Shadow Minister Turnbull was explicitly asked whether a Coalition Government would allow companies such as OPENetworks to continue deploying their own infrastructure in competiion with the NBN.

“Yes,” the Member for Wentworth said in response. He added that where a housing developer paid a company like OPENetworks to deploy telecommunications infrastructure, and as long as that new network complied with the NBN specifications, then the NBN company itself would be likely to acquire that network and run it as its own or leave the company to operate the infrastructure on an open access basis.

“… what that really means is that a developer then knows that he or she can get the fibre deployment company they know and trust and work with to get the work done so that it can either be operated as a network run by the developer or by a company like OPENetworks or it could just be sold over to the NBN Co,” Shadow Minister Turnbull said at the time.

So lets fast forward to August 2015, around 9 months after MT tried to kill off TPG's FTTB rollout by making retrospective changes to regulations, and see what NBN is up to. OpenNetworks is alleging that NBN is now overbuilding in areas already service by them. "The full list of targeted sites is available, and it includes several sites where OPENetworks has the only FttP or FttN/B/R and provides 'super-fast broadband' services of at least 100/40Mbps," OPENetworks managing director Michael Sparksman said in a statement on Monday.

So once again we have the Abbott Govt saying one thing prior to the election and then doing near the total opposite. pro competition prior to the election, anti competition after. My ADSL gets slower every time it rains, so why are would NBN be spending money to provide services to those who already get access to 100/40 services when the surrounding area is in dire need of an upgrade?

 

[Tisme]

Just before the 2013 election MT was doing a grand launch with OpenNetworks at Sydney Park Village(10 min walk from my house). he was lauding them building a FTTN network in the Apartment complex (it was really FTTB but hey in the rough and tumble of an election what's a bit of misdirection).

So what did MT say during his launching of the network?

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/c...script-launch-of-openetworks-3-september-2013

At the event, Shadow Minister Turnbull was explicitly asked whether a Coalition Government would allow companies such as OPENetworks to continue deploying their own infrastructure in competiion with the NBN.

“Yes,” the Member for Wentworth said in response. He added that where a housing developer paid a company like OPENetworks to deploy telecommunications infrastructure, and as long as that new network complied with the NBN specifications, then the NBN company itself would be likely to acquire that network and run it as its own or leave the company to operate the infrastructure on an open access basis.

“… what that really means is that a developer then knows that he or she can get the fibre deployment company they know and trust and work with to get the work done so that it can either be operated as a network run by the developer or by a company like OPENetworks or it could just be sold over to the NBN Co,” Shadow Minister Turnbull said at the time.

So lets fast forward to August 2015, around 9 months after MT tried to kill off TPG's FTTB rollout by making retrospective changes to regulations, and see what NBN is up to. OpenNetworks is alleging that NBN is now overbuilding in areas already service by them. "The full list of targeted sites is available, and it includes several sites where OPENetworks has the only FttP or FttN/B/R and provides 'super-fast broadband' services of at least 100/40Mbps," OPENetworks managing director Michael Sparksman said in a statement on Monday.

So once again we have the Abbott Govt saying one thing prior to the election and then doing near the total opposite. pro competition prior to the election, anti competition after. My ADSL gets slower every time it rains, so why are would NBN be spending money to provide services to those who already get access to 100/40 services when the surrounding area is in dire need of an upgrade?

Telstra is to the Libs what the union movement is to Labor, except the unions are a nursery of the Labor pollies, whereas Telstra is one of the retirement homes for Liberal politicians and its hacks. Gotta look after one's retirement and the future fund

 

[sydboy007]

Wow. MT is really backtracking on his welcoming the private sector to invest in providing high speed internet access.

Why would you encourage the NBN to replicate infrastructure when the FTTN trial rollout is at least 4 months behind schedule.

http://delimiter.com.au/2015/08/19/nbn-overbuild-based-on-fairer-competition-says-turnbull/

“While the Government wants to foster private sector investment and competition and avoid unnecessary expenditure, it also needs to ensure that all people have access to better broadband and NBN Co, as a commercial entity, also need to invest where it makes sense.”

http://blog.jxeeno.com/analysis-164k-nbn-fibre-to-the-node-premises-delayed/

According to rollout information produced by the company rolling out the National Broadband Network, the ready for service dates for around 164 thousand premises in the NBN Fibre to the Node trial area have been delayed since the company’s estimates in May.

In May, the company estimated that 37,200 FTTN premises will be declared “Ready for Service” in September 2015 with another 35,200 premises added in October. However, the latest monthly ready for service plan released by the company last week shows a mere 2,100 premises will be declared “Ready for Service” in September. Delays continue into October, with only 9,600 premises expected to be activated in that month.

In total around 164 thousand premises have been pushed back by up to 4 months.

Nigh on 2 years in and FTTP is still the primary reason that broadband speeds are increasing.