NBN Rollout Scrapped

sydboy007 · 18 December 2013

how does the lower quality copper in Australia compare to that used by BT in the UK?

To say it's a bit like the current ashes series (in reverse) sums it up quite nicely.

Late 1015 or early 2016 will se either further minimum speed backflips OR an explosion in the number of nodes and cost of the network rollout

drsmith · 19 December 2013

Rollout update for the week to December 15

8043 brownfields and 2117 greenfields passed in the past week. Brownfields now passed is 267,991.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/weekly-progress-report.html

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/nbnco-rollout-metrics-15122013.pdf

The Strategic Review estimates 357,000 brownfields will be passed by June 30 2014.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/media/news/strategic-review.html

Meanwhile on costs,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/contractors_seek_more_money_from_0qr6R0dCDvpRHtFuKoDeZM

NBNMyths · 19 December 2013

drsmith said:
Rollout update for the week to December 15

Meanwhile on costs,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/contractors_seek_more_money_from_0qr6R0dCDvpRHtFuKoDeZM

Quigley said in his speech a few weeks back that they knew contractors were seeking more, and that those cost increases had been offset by other efficiencies in the rollout.

I noticed something else in the review too.....They have doubled the contingency, adding $3bn to the 'cost'. Taking away the added contingency fund drops the capex of the "revised" FTTP (scenario 2) down to $41bn, and the peak funding to ~$48.6bn.

drsmith · 19 December 2013

NBNMyths said:
Quigley said in his speech a few weeks back that they knew contractors were seeking more, and that those cost increases had been offset by other efficiencies in the rollout.

Well, like the rollout schedules produced under Quigley's administration, that's obviously not the case.

IIRC, the strategic review left the contingency was unchanged for the rollout in its current form (scenario 1), but doubled it for all remaining scenarios.

NBNMyths · 19 December 2013

drsmith said:
Well, like the rollout schedules produced under Quigley's administration, that's obviously not the case.

IIRC, the strategic review left the contingency was unchanged for the rollout in its current form (scenario 1), but doubled it for all remaining scenarios.

Why is it obviously not the case? I've not heard Ziggy (or anyone else) deny that statement.

Yes, the scenario I was talking about was #2, which was still 93% FTTP.

Calliope · 20 December 2013

Blowout? What Blowout? - It's Just Another NBN Myth!

sails · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
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Blowout? What Blowout? - It's Just Another NBN Myth!

- but where are his red underpants???

NBNMyths · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
Blowout? What Blowout? - It's Just Another NBN Myth!

Are you talking about the blowout in your beloved Coalition's policy?

You know, the "bulletproof" costings that went up 33% in 3 months?

Calliope · 20 December 2013

NBNMyths said:
Are you talking about the blowout in your beloved Coalition's policy?

No. He is blowing on about your beloved Rudd/Gillard/Conroy/Quigley policy (or lack of). Like you he is still in denial. I suggest you move on. Nothing to see here.

NBNMyths · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
No. He is blowing on about your beloved Rudd/Gillard/Conroy/Quigley policy (or lack of). Like you he is still in denial. I suggest you move on. Nothing to see here.

Nothing indeed. You are absolutely hilarious. I'd suggest a university study you, but with education funding on the chopping block, they probably couldn't afford it.

I think you'll find it's the Tony and Mal show that don't have a policy.... After promising 25Mbps to 100% by 2016, their review has just found it's impossible... Like we said all along.

Let me summarise what's happened to the Coalition's NBN policy since the election for you:

- Their promised coverage by end 2016 has dropped by 57%

- The cost has increased by 33%

- It has been revealed that zero testing has been done on the copper network.

- It has been revealed that they have received zero data on the condition of the copper network.

- It has been revealed that even the 33% blown-out costs doesn't include any money to buy the copper network.

If that was an ALP policy, you'd be screaming "incompetance" from the rooftops.

Calliope · 20 December 2013

NBNMyths said:
If that was an ALP policy, you'd be screaming "incompetance" from the rooftops.

Being apparently better educated, I would be screaming "incompetence".

sydboy007 · 20 December 2013

NBNMyths said:
Nothing indeed. You are absolutely hilarious. I'd suggest a university study you, but with education funding on the chopping block, they probably couldn't afford it.

Best to not engage the guy Myths. He fully acknowledges he has no understanding of the technicalities of the IT world, has no interest in improved broadband in the country, yet he feels compelled to regularly comment.

But don't worry, every problem that occurs, especially the ones high lighted BEFORE the election, will be Labors' fault, especially the cost blowouts Malcolm has already admitted too.

Just wait to see how he blames Labor for the cost to buy / lease back the copper Howard sold off on the cheap.

NBNMyths · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
Being apparently better educated, I would be screaming "incompetence".

HaHa. That's the best you can come up with? Perhaps you could actually comment on the failures and issues with the Coalition's policy?

sydboy007 said:
Best to not engage the guy Myths. He fully acknowledges he has no understanding of the technicalities of the IT world, has no interest in improved broadband in the country, yet he feels compelled to regularly comment.

But don't worry, every problem that occurs, especially the ones high lighted BEFORE the election, will be Labors' fault, especially the cost blowouts Malcolm has already admitted too.

Just wait to see how he blames Labor for the cost to buy / lease back the copper Howard sold off on the cheap.

Yes, I've already obtained 3 years worth of popcorn.

Calliope · 20 December 2013

sydboy007 said:
Best to not engage the guy Myths. He fully acknowledges he has no understanding of the technicalities of the IT world, has no interest in improved broadband in the country, yet he feels compelled to regularly comment.

Sorry to intrude on the preserve of ideological technical experts like you and Myths, but i am surprised that I have copped this tirade merely because I depicted your beloved Conroy as a puffed-up idiot.:screwy:

I don't feel "compelled to regularly comment" as you put it. I post here only occasionally to add a little satire..

It's ironic that you are both stooping to ad hominem. Why?

boofhead · 20 December 2013

You're confused. It isn't about it being Conroy/Rudd idea. It's about the technology. You seem to keep coming back to Labor/Coalition when for many it isn't. If Abbott had an understanding of it and in 2010 wanted to do the FTTP build then he would have likely been voted in to power 3 years ago.

Go back and read most of your responses in this thread - you're interested in the Labor vs Coalition thing whereas a number of FTTP aren't interested in party politics but the network and technology.

Calliope · 20 December 2013

boofhead said:
You're confused. It isn't about it being Conroy/Rudd idea. It's about the technology. You seem to keep coming back to Labor/Coalition when for many it isn't. If Abbott had an understanding of it and in 2010 wanted to do the FTTP build then he would have likely been voted in to power 3 years ago.

Go back and read most of your responses in this thread - you're interested in the Labor vs Coalition thing whereas a number of FTTP aren't interested in party politics but the network and technology.

Yes boof, I'm confused. I inadvertently trespassed on to a leftist sacred site. It won"t happen again.

Macquack · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
Yes boof, I'm confused. I inadvertently trespassed on to a leftist sacred site. It won"t happen again.

Boofhead makes a valid point and you trivialise it by insinuating he is a leftie.

Is that the best response you can come up with?

NBNMyths · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
Being apparently better educated, I would be screaming "incompetence".

Calliope said:
It's ironic that you are both stooping to ad hominem. Why?

boofhead · 20 December 2013

Calliope said:
Yes boof, I'm confused. I inadvertently trespassed on to a leftist sacred site. It won"t happen again.

There you are again. You want it to be a left vs right debate. You call anyone that supports FTTP as a Conroy supporter. Some FTTP supporters despise Conroy. Maybe I understand why - a number of the right really don't care about it or don't want the government to be involved. That's a different thing. It may explain why the Coalition are a mess on the subject.

Calliope · 20 December 2013

Macquack said:
Boofhead makes a valid point and you trivialise it by insinuating he is a leftie.

Is that the best response you can come up with?

I'm afraid so Mac... and you are :topic

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