NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sptrawler]

The three units next to mine, which have the NBN on the wall, still aren't connected.
I will keep you posted, my guess is our place will get connected first, a mate is thinking of moving in.
There is a rider, he is only moving in untill he finds a place to buy, then it will be disconnected again.
What a magic way to spend $50Billion dollars.

 

[sydboy007]

The three units next to mine, which have the NBN on the wall, still aren't connected.
I will keep you posted, my guess is our place will get connected first, a mate is thinking of moving in.
There is a rider, he is only moving in untill he finds a place to buy, then it will be disconnected again.
What a magic way to spend $50Billion dollars.

Hmmm

That's in no way like someone renting and getting the phone and / or ADSL connected and disconnected when they leave? No idea what the full cost of the copper network was, but probably up there aroudn the $50B in todays dollars.

At least with the NBN getting connected at a new rental property can occur within a few hours if you're lucky. I know my company has been able to get people signed up and active on the same day in a few instances. Never get that to happen via ADSL.

 

[sptrawler]

Hmmm

That's in no way like someone renting and getting the phone and / or ADSL connected and disconnected when they leave? No idea what the full cost of the copper network was, but probably up there aroudn the $50B in todays dollars.

At least with the NBN getting connected at a new rental property can occur within a few hours if you're lucky. I know my company has been able to get people signed up and active on the same day in a few instances. Never get that to happen via ADSL.

No I'm not renting, will use the property myself, next door do the same.
The Lady in the end unit is 94 years old, I've told her it is cheaper and quicker to get on the NBN, she says "I'm happy with what I have".
It just does my head in, when they are spending all this money on useless infrastructure, when they could be focusing it on CBD, Industrial and small to medium enterprise.
Even you Syd, must see the wastage.
It's your money, not mine
it's your future,not mine.lol

Actually Syd you are probably better off registering 'Syds Aussie burgers' than trying to make a career out of I.T.
Fast food is probably the fastest growing industry in Australia, the fifo family have to go somewhere.lol
Unfortunately I bet when you try to register 'Syd burgers' it's already gone.lol
Been there done that.lol

 

[sptrawler]

Try and register any fast food or I.T name, see how you go. It doesn't cost anything, just see if the name is available.

Pretend you've lost your job and your going to start your own business, give it a go.
A bit off topic but an enlightening experience.

 

[sydboy007]

No I'm not renting, will use the property myself, next door do the same.
The Lady in the end unit is 94 years old, I've told her it is cheaper and quicker to get on the NBN, she says "I'm happy with what I have".
It just does my head in, when they are spending all this money on useless infrastructure, when they could be focusing it on CBD, Industrial and small to medium enterprise.
Even you Syd, must see the wastage.
It's your money, not mine
it's your future,not mine.lol

Actually Syd you are probably better off registering 'Syds Aussie burgers' than trying to make a career out of I.T.
Fast food is probably the fastest growing industry in Australia, the fifo family have to go somewhere.lol
Unfortunately I bet when you try to register 'Syd burgers' it's already gone.lol
Been there done that.lol

Oh I fully agree it would have been better to roll our the NBN in the capitals. Certainly there would be a lot more people connected which would have made the economics stack up better. Then again there's the social policy aspect which ws about providing an upgrade to broadband in the main areas that either had limited access to broadband, or poor quality access.

Sounds like your neighbour probably just has a phone line. She'll be just as happy getting an NBN voice service. I dare say she's a Telstra users so am sure Telstra will nudge her onto the NBN before the copper gets cut.

It's a shame the SME sector was so quiet the last few years. They are the ones who could have gone from needing to pay $4-500+ a month (on top of sky high install costs) for high speed broadband to < $130 for 100/40 plans.

The Coalition will be in the same boat, probably worse, because the Nationals will want the focus to remain on rural and regional areas over the cities.

It'll probably take 5-10 years for you to realise it, but the Coalition version of the NBN is the one that's going to waste tens of billions and leave us with sub standard broadband for a couple of decades.

 

[drsmith]

B]Rollout update for the week to January 05[/B]

A total of 19,843 additional lots/premises were passed/covered by the network since the week ending 15-Dec-13, of which 5,183 were in Brownfield and 3,249 were in Greenfield areas. Fixed wireless coverage increased by 11,411 premises.

Total brownfields passed is now 273,174. Brownfields passed in the 6-months from July 01 to Dec 31 was 109,659. The fixed line rollout numbers were little changed over the Xmas-new year fortnight (Dec 22 to Jan05).

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/weekly-progress-report.html

Rollout update for the week to December 15

8043 brownfields and 2117 greenfields passed in the past week. Brownfields now passed is 267,991.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/weekly-progress-report.html

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/nbnco-rollout-metrics-15122013.pdf

The Strategic Review estimates 357,000 brownfields will be passed by June 30 2014.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/media/news/strategic-review.html

Meanwhile on costs,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/contractors_seek_more_money_from_0qr6R0dCDvpRHtFuKoDeZM

 

[IFocus]

It'll probably take 5-10 years for you to realise it, but the Coalition version of the NBN is the one that's going to waste tens of billions and leave us with sub standard broadband for a couple of decades.

yep best way to waste money is do the same job x 2.

Also as the revenues will be lower under the Coalition plan it truly will be a big white elephant all be it an out dated one.

 

[sydboy007]

yep best way to waste money is do the same job x 2.

Also as the revenues will be lower under the Coalition plan it truly will be a big white elephant all be it an out dated one.

I think Corgi Bernardi sums up the Liberal understanding of technology.

His latest book is only available in paperback. No electronic version is available. I dare say the guy has no idea what kindle / Kobo / Nook is. Tony was the same with his Battlelines book.

Considering Amazon has been selling more ebooks than paper versions since 2010 it shows just how far behind the times they really are in their understanding.

I suppose the target audiences for their books probably have even less of an understanding, so maybe it makes sense after all.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The three units next to mine, which have the NBN on the wall, still aren't connected.
I will keep you posted, my guess is our place will get connected first, a mate is thinking of moving in.
There is a rider, he is only moving in untill he finds a place to buy, then it will be disconnected again.
What a magic way to spend $50Billion dollars.

Such a waste.

All from an ALP, Rudd and Conroy brainfart.

As Maggie Thatcher famously said.

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend."

So true.

Now the coalition have to build up our savings again. Same ole, same ole.

gg

 

[sptrawler]

yep best way to waste money is do the same job x 2.

Also as the revenues will be lower under the Coalition plan it truly will be a big white elephant all be it an out dated one.

How many of your Mandurah units are connected?

 

[sptrawler]

What happens if the Government pulls the pin on the NBN.
It honours existing contracts, but decides the project is too big, too costly.
Then Telstra keeps its obsolete copper and have to meet consumer expectations.

 

[sydboy007]

What happens if the Government pulls the pin on the NBN.
It honours existing contracts, but decides the project is too big, too costly.
Then Telstra keeps its obsolete copper and have to meet consumer expectations.

i suppose you'll be happy.

it was a key election promise though, the kind Tony said we can believe in since it was written down, but seems Liberals breaking election promises is somehow not nearly as bad as when Labor does it.

The main thrust of the promise has already been broken - 2016 pushed back to 2019 and now no guaranteed speeds.

Personally I'd be happier to see it canned than the absolute dogs breakfast being proposed. At least that way when we have a Federal Govt that is forward thinking we can start a new FTTP rollout. If the MTM gets built we'll be stuck on sub standard broadband for a couple of decades.

 

[overhang]

Such a waste.

All from an ALP, Rudd and Conroy brainfart.

As Maggie Thatcher famously said.

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend."

So true.

Now the coalition have to build up our savings again. Same ole, same ole.

gg

And the trouble with capitalism is the other people don't have money, its all at the top and distributed between the select few lucky enough to be born into it or the few outliers that work their way up through the system. Neither is a perfect system and a balance between the two that ensures incentive for hard work is rewarded and that regardless of upbringing we all have access to healthcare and education is needed.

By the coalition building up the savings again you mean selling our profitable assets in the way of Aus Post and Medibank Private. One day when Labor gets us in this mess there will be no assets to sell because the coalition don't invest in infrastructure and then and only then will we find out just how good of economic managers they are. It's easy to govern on the credit card but its also easy to govern by paying the credit card off by selling the car and the house.

 

[sydboy007]

Broadband Availability and Quality: Summary Report 23 December 2013

http://www.minister.communications....4/205061/myBroadband_Summary_Report_FINAL.pdf

There's been no rollout updates from NBN Co since December 15.

This was the report that teh Coalition said in the April 2013 policy release:

“Within 90 days the department of Broadband Communications and the digital economy, with the assistance of NBN Co and private carriers, will provide Parliament with a ranking of broadband quality and availability in all areas of Australia. This ranking will be published for comment and review and will guide prioritisation of the rollout.”

Don't know about you but 3 pages of large font based high level summary, and certainly doesn't provide a ranking of broadband quality and availability in all areas of Australia.

There's no geographical based data that would help NBNCo modify it's rollout plans for prioritisation of the rollout.

Pretty much the report - I'd call it a brochure - appears to be based on a sample size of 20,000, with no information on how representative that sample was, and then everything else in the report has been extrapolated from that.

Hands up those who think a sample of 20,000 for a project rolling out to another 7 or 8 million premises is good enough to base your whole rollout schedule on? Hands up those who think this sampling will highlight those areas where the copper may be a bigger than average problem? Doesn't seem a very good basis to begin planning on.

Seems the coalition can't even keep a policy promise as simple as a report.

 

[drsmith]

Syd,

What was Labor's 2016 rollout objective ?

That's right, it was a very scientific have the rollout be active in every electorate after 9-years in office. What needs based objective would have that satisfied ?

The Coalition has clearly failed to reach its 2016 target, but Labor's failed to reach many downward revised targets throughout it's 6-years in office. It's this relative position of the two major parties that hurts Labor much more than the Coalition walking part of it's pre-election targets and will continue to do so for some time. After 6-years in office, Labor left the electorate with little more than a dream and the incoming Coalition government with a mess.

That being said, the Coalition will obviously need the rollout to progress much more smoothly than Labor's did from the 2014 corporate plan to be released from NBN Co to have any effective political advantage on this in the next and subsequent elections.

The next steps from the above document are outlined under the title Next Steps.

 

[So_Cynical]

Syd,

What was Labor's 2016 rollout objective ?

That's right, it was a very scientific have the rollout be active in every electorate after 9-years in office. What needs based objective would have that satisfied ?

The Coalition has clearly failed to reach its 2016 target, but Labor's failed to reach many downward revised targets throughout it's 6-years in office. It's this relative position of the two major parties that hurts Labor much more than the Coalition

As far as political damage i think your right, Noalition voters don't want the govt to do anything while Labor voters wanted a world class NBN...what we are going to get (as i have been saying for 10 months) is a $40B+ dogs Breakfast, a bits and pieces, half assed NBN.

 

[NBNMyths]

Syd,

That being said, the Coalition will obviously need the rollout to progress much more smoothly than Labor's did from the 2014 corporate plan to be released from NBN Co to have any effective political advantage on this in the next and subsequent elections.

....and that is rather unlikely.

The startup period of any major project is where the biggest delays and teething problems occur. Those years have already passed for FTTP, and the rollout gathers pace all the time.

It took 3 years (and many technological changes) to go from FTTP trial to volume rollout. Now (as Paul Budde wrote), the Coalition are starting from scratch all over again, and will experience all those teething issues for not only FTTN but also their proposed HFC upgrade. There's no FTTN in Australia. There's been no testing of FTTN on thin Australian copper, so even node range is not yet known. There are no FTTN cabinets built for Australian heat. There's no knowledge of the condition of the copper or the HFC. They don't even have access to basic maps of copper or HFC yet, let alone being in a position to commence a trial rollout.

As time goes on, I think they'll be lucky to have much more than an FTTN trial running by early 2016.

 

[sydboy007]

Syd,

What was Labor's 2016 rollout objective ?

That's right, it was a very scientific have the rollout be active in every electorate after 9-years in office. What needs based objective would have that satisfied ?

The Coalition has clearly failed to reach its 2016 target, but Labor's failed to reach many downward revised targets throughout it's 6-years in office. It's this relative position of the two major parties that hurts Labor much more than the Coalition walking part of it's pre-election targets and will continue to do so for some time. After 6-years in office, Labor left the electorate with little more than a dream and the incoming Coalition government with a mess.

That being said, the Coalition will obviously need the rollout to progress much more smoothly than Labor's did from the 2014 corporate plan to be released from NBN Co to have any effective political advantage on this in the next and subsequent elections.

The next steps from the above document are outlined under the title Next Steps.

If the Government doesn't face a whole host of issues like Labor did in their learning curve for FTTP, I'll be greatly amazed.

Optus and Telstra hold the key though. If the Government has to pay anything for their networks the cost advantage of the MTM will pretty quickly disappear.

How many non FTTP MTM connections do you believe would show "success" for their project? They might score some quick runs with FTTB, but then if they do allow cherry picking by the other carriers I hate to see how the economics of the leftovers of the MTM will stack up.

The 2016 target was a KEY election promise. There's no way of knowing, but I wonder how many votes that would have cost the Coalition at the election if they'd had to walk away from their commitment before the election? It was obviously an important enough issue that they were forced to release a policy on in and move away from the rip it up and cancel the rollout.

Some of the next steps are supposed to have already occurred ie the report we're supposed to have had released prio to Christmas h been turned into a next step.

 

[IFocus]

Personally I'd be happier to see it canned than the absolute dogs breakfast being proposed. .

I am starting to think the same pointless blowing it on FTTN

There are no FTTN cabinets built for Australian heat.

Syd any idea what the temperature rating would be of the gear required in a FTTN cabinet?

50 degrees c max?

 

[H C]

The 2016 target was a KEY election promise. There's no way of knowing, but I wonder how many votes that would have cost the Coalition at the election if they'd had to walk away from their commitment before the election? It was obviously an important enough issue that they were forced to release a policy on in and move away from the rip it up and cancel the rollout.

Well the thing I was saying long ago is that they only had to fool enough people long enough to win the election, the cow plop pie they announced in April did the trick. Now it doesn't matter, the coalition clowns patchwork plan is shaping up to be a unmitigated disaster just as they wanted, so we will still get the cow plop pie but one from more sickly cow with diarrhea. Of course judging from the comments here it's obvious they didn't have to do much hard work to fool some people so in 2016 we should offer them glasses rather than spoons...