I have.Have you been missing me?
?..The question I have for you conservatives, is whether you will be as critical of the Coalition for their poor management/fantasy timetable/lack of research/ignorance of professional opinion as you have been of the ALP? Or will all be forgiven?
This I suspect is what upsets Myths the most. He backed Labor's project to the hilt only to see it unravel.I doubt the coalition would have started such an extravagant program in the first place but now they are left with the mess labor have given them to try and patch up.
It's difficult to criticise them for trying to bring a better budget outcome while still attempting to complete a project somewhat already botched.
This I suspect is what upsets Myths the most. He backed Labor's project to the hilt only to see it unravel.
Service Class Zero refers to premises passed by the active network, but for which a service cannot currently be ordered from a telephone or internet service provider because additional work is required, for example because there is cabling required for an apartment block.
I have.
It's also good to know your home survived intact. I also still think it's not a good idea to mix business and politics, but obviously what you do there is up to you.
Is your conclusion from the BS article above that it will take as long to roll out FTTN as it does FTTP ?
Myths - glad to hear your house is standing...
I doubt the coalition would have started such an extravagant program in the first place but now they are left with the mess labor have given them to try and patch up.
It's difficult to criticise them for trying to bring a better budget outcome while still attempting to complete a project somewhat already botched.
Never forget this was labor's extremely expensive hare-brained idea scratched out on a napkin in an aeroplane with a shocking price tag and cost benefit analysis kept secret from the public.
So it is not a case of comparing apples with apples as much as you might want to paint it that way.
This I suspect is what upsets Myths the most. He backed Labor's project to the hilt only to see it unravel.
Simply bagging the Coalition and those whom he regards as its supporters though isn't going to change that. In the end politically, it's not going to come down the exact parameters each party said they would deliver, but a comparison and on that, Labor's project has already stumbled at many hurdles.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Coalition's end of 2016 date for 25mbps is revised down, but how many downward revisions did we have on the rollout targets with Labor's FTTP since it was announced ?
There's also the question of how the precise detail of the Coalition's rollout will look post its various reviews. Given his long and deep interest in the overall subject, it would be interesting to know Myths's views on Simon Hackett's appointment to the NBN Co. board.
My point is that the Coalition and its supporters have loudly criticised the NBN for not meeting targets, yet the coalition's targets are even more unrealistic. Rather hypocritical.
I have said before that I didn't think the NBN was perfect. I believe I even provided a list of things that could be changed. The big one of those currently is FTTB for MDUs. I'm quite happy for that, and NBN co should have embraced it faster, because the distance issues of FTTN don't apply. But for detached houses, FTTP should continue. Installing 60,000 ugly, fridge size cabinets on footpaths, to install an obsolete, slow, power-hungry FTTN network is a Very Bad Idea, which we will regret in coming years.
I think Simon will be a good addition to the NBN board.
I have little expertise in what you presently discuss.
Read the Australian today for a forensic account of this brainfart by Rudd and one of his ministers on the birth of the NBN.
It lacked startegic planning and proper governance and an adequate risk/benefit analysis from it's birth.
I see you as an apologist, attemting to confound members of ASF with technical jargon, when it is the business case that is moot.
gg
It's a highly technical project. "Technical jargon" is at the crux of the debate. That's why it should be technical people making the decisions, not Australian journos. If you don't know the difference between FTTP, FTTB and FTTN, and you have no desire to learn the differences, advantages and disadvantages of each, then this is not a debate you should be participating in, any more than you'd participate in a debate of what type of asphalt the RTA are using to resurface the freeway.
With that and your approval of Simon Hackett on the board, there's perhaps a growing common ground between the Coalition and yourself.I have said before that I didn't think the NBN was perfect. I believe I even provided a list of things that could be changed. The big one of those currently is FTTB for MDUs.
Why not FTTN?
Following the failure of the coalition broadband policy at the 2010 Federal Election, opposition spokesperson Malcolm Turnbull has begun strongly advocating a Fibre To The Node (FTTN) / Fibre To The Cabinet (FTTC) / Fibre To The Basement (FTTB) alternative, which he claims would be cheaper than the Fibre To The Premises (FTTP) NBN, but just as good. So, why not?
Perhaps I need to be clearer. My stance hasn't changed. I have always said that frustrated MDUs should get FTTB, because a stubborn body corporate shouldn't stand in the way of tennants getting decent broadband. But FTTP should be the primary objective, and made available if the body corporate doesn't stand in the way. While FTTB isn't as much of an issue as FTTN, it will still one day be the bottleneck. But giving them FTTN is better than nothing. The body corporate issue isn't an issue outside MDUs though, so there's no need to 'settle' for an inferior system. There's no legal impediment to connecting FTTP to detached dwellings, just as there's no legal impediment to running fibre into the basement of an mdu.With that and your approval of Simon Hackett on the board, there's perhaps a growing common ground between the Coalition and yourself.
As for FTTB, you might want to change the commentary on your site to better reflect where you now stand.
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/why-not-fttn/
My bolds.
Your argument is similar to Coles deciding to sell exotic fruit, devoting 15% of sales area to exotic fruit, no ifs nor buts, without looking at the business case, risk, reward, dangers, opportunities.
You are arguing the succulence of Davondus Fruit versus Pinkallilly Pear.
It just ain't a goer, dollar wise.
OK.
gg
Your argument is similar to Coles deciding to sell exotic fruit, devoting 15% of sales area to exotic fruit, no ifs nor buts, without looking at the business case, risk, reward, dangers, opportunities.
You are arguing the succulence of Davondus Fruit versus Pinkallilly Pear.
It just ain't a goer, dollar wise.
OK.
gg
I note NBNMyths you are unable, or choose not, to reply to my post.
You are too close to the Pinkallilly Pear.
Too far from the lack of a business case.
Suck on, brother.
gg
Sitting on the fence with one leg either side doesn't become a valid stance after you've been seen in both paddocks.Perhaps I need to be clearer. My stance hasn't changed. I have always said that frustrated MDUs should get FTTB, because a stubborn body corporate shouldn't stand in the way of tennants getting decent broadband. But FTTP should be the primary objective, and made available if the body corporate doesn't stand in the way. While FTTB isn't as much of an issue as FTTN, it will still one day be the bottleneck. But giving them FTTN is better than nothing. The body corporate issue isn't an issue outside MDUs though, so there's no need to 'settle' for an inferior system. There's no legal impediment to connecting FTTP to detached dwellings, just as there's no legal impediment to running fibre into the basement of an mdu.
The "why not FTTN" page speaks about the plans as a whole, and I think I'll leave it as is.
Your argument is similar to Coles deciding to sell exotic fruit, devoting 15% of sales area to exotic fruit, no ifs nor buts, without looking at the business case, risk, reward, dangers, opportunities.
You are arguing the succulence of Davondus Fruit versus Pinkallilly Pear.
It just ain't a goer, dollar wise.
OK.
gg
Sitting on the fence with one leg either side doesn't become a valid stance after you've been seen in both paddocks.
There's nothing wrong with adjusting your point of view as new information comes to light. It might also help to understand that the view can be different in the absence of the prism of political bias.
NBN Co’s interim satellites are reaching full capacity and the government-owned company has started turning away new customers in rural Victoria. These customers must rely on existing broadband infrastructure until NBN Co launches two custom-made satellites in 2015.
Satellite beams covering NSW, Tasmania and Queensland were also close to capacity, while those covering central and western Australia had some space left.
NBN Co only has enough space for 48,000 customers nationally on its interim satellite and has already connected 42,044 premises, according to figures released this week.
NBN Co interim satellite service nearing capacity,
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-satellites-near-full-capacity-20131115-hv2m5.html
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