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Shaker said:
Lol

Well I got a good look at the state of the copper network in my area today. My neighbor placed a fault with Telstra for a noisy line. I got home with safety fence around my pit and a contractor visible down the road.

I walked down to chat with him and he showed me the mess he was dealing with. Basically the joints have perished and they strip cables below the joint to access the pairs. They then wrap in see thru plastic tape and jobs done.

The contractor fixed the problem and explained he was not allowed to repair properly as he would not get paid for it.
I live in a new suburb which is 17 years old.

God help the Libs when they try their FTTN model. They are plain crazy to attempt it.

Shaker
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Had the same experience, Shaker. Not good for the integrity of our telecommunications network... especially in times of disaster or user overload for whatever reason.

drsmith said:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...bn-rollout-risk/story-e6frgago-1226751590262#

I haven't seen the full article above from The Australian above, but the teaser is below.
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Does the ramp-up to achieve rollout targets was "presenting a significant risk to the project" and that this "has not been achieved in any international comparison"... reflect on the wisdom of pushing the rollout too hard or more the particular way of the ramp-up?

What are the ramifications for Turnbull?
 
The ramifications are that Malcolm Turnbull and the Liberal government will have to clean up this mess and that copper was going to remain a significant part of Australia's telecommunications network for a long time in any case because of the unrealistic nature of the FTTP rollout schedule.

That's not to say the Coalition won't face issues. They obviously will and it will be interesting to see how they manage them, in particular the concerns around the state of the copper network. If their handling of the boat arrival problem since coming to office is any guide, that at least offers confidence that they have both the willingness and capability to make the best of a bad situation.

It's now a waiting game to see what their reviews reveal.
 
A CABINET briefing document obtained by The Weekend Australian confirms the Rudd government was aware of significant risks to the National Broadband Network rollout and that delays would strip $1.4 billion in revenues throughout the election campaign.

The document revealed an assessment by consultants KPMG -- who had been engaged by the then Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Department -- warning that the ramp-up to achieve rollout targets was "presenting a significant risk to the project" and that this "has not been achieved in any international comparison".
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A bit more from the above article,

The summary of a cabinet submission by then communications minister Anthony Albanese for the meeting scheduled for July 22 ... [said:] “Given existing delays and the emerging industrial issues, we consider the rollout forecasts are questionable...”

Mr Albanese was pressed during the election campaign on his knowledge of this corporate plan, notably in a debate on ABC’s Lateline program on August 12…

Lateline host Emma Alberici...:)) “Have you got a date for receiving it?”

“We have not received””well, that’s up to the board, but we have not received the final business plan,” said Mr Albanese.
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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...abor_kept_quiet_about_another_14_nbn_blowout/
 
The full article from The Australian,

A CABINET briefing document obtained by The Weekend Australian confirms the Rudd government was aware of significant risks to the National Broadband Network rollout and that delays would strip $1.4 billion in revenues throughout the election campaign.

The document revealed an assessment by consultants KPMG -- who had been engaged by the then Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Department -- warning that the ramp-up to achieve rollout targets was "presenting a significant risk to the project" and that this "has not been achieved in any international comparison".

The summary of a cabinet submission by then communications minister Anthony Albanese for the meeting scheduled for July 22, a fortnight before the election was called, showed a revised corporate plan for the NBN would be considered. The NBN was to figure prominently in the campaign as a signature government policy.

"Given existing delays and the emerging industrial issues, we consider the rollout forecasts are questionable," the summary said. "Further delays will increase funding requirements for the project (existing three month delay cost $1.4 billion in lost revenue)." As well as saying that the planned ramp-up for the NBN had not been achieved in any comparable scheme overseas, the document raised significant questions about project financing.

"KPMG also advised there is a significant risk NBN Co will not be able to raise debt in 2015 without a government guarantee." This was despite the corporate plan assuming $590 million would be raised in that year.

Mr Albanese was pressed during the election campaign on his knowledge of this corporate plan, notably in a debate on ABC's Lateline program on August 12."Anthony is sitting on the latest corporate plan," said then opposition spokesman Malcolm Turnbull. "(He) has not released it to the public.

"Mr Turnbull pressed the then minister. "Well, why don't you produce the latest business plan? It's sitting on your desk. Why don't you produce it? The company gave it to you only a month or so ago."

"That's not right," responded Mr Albanese. "They have not produced the final business plan."

"Oh, I see," said Mr Turnbull. "You've made them keep the draft stamp on it so you don't have to give it out before the election."

"They have not produced the final business plan," replied the minister.

Lateline host Emma Alberici then intervened. "Have you got a date for receiving it?" she asked.

"We have not received -- well, that's up to the board, but we have not received the final business plan," said Mr Albanese.

The cabinet submission summary obtained by The Weekend Australian shows cabinet was to consider a revised plan three weeks earlier.

"We understand Minister Albanese proposes to refer the Corporate Plan back to NBN Co for further work," the document said, "and intends to bring back a revised Plan for Government consideration and release later in the year."

A leaked draft of the plan confirmed the hit to revenues of $1.4bn between 2011 and 2021, and showed the NBN Co expected it would need $1.6bn more funding.
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This is the stuff of Royal Commissions.

A waste of taxpayers money for wilful political gain.

Typical ALP stuff.

gg
 
MT is on 'Meet the Press' right now.

Have to say, MT seems fair.

NBN Myths - my previous comments on rolling out the NBN to get a ROI still stands.

ALP caught with their pants down...again...
 
DB008 said:
MT is on 'Meet the Press' right now.
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I'll be interested to watch that when it comes over here in the west.

On the topic of copper, there were a couple of articles out last week and within, what could be an answer to one question,

Both global and local technology experts acknowledge the carrier’s decision to use thinner copper wiring in newer suburbs could reduce the maximum potential speeds by up to 10 per cent.
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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=800767

The Australian also had a piece on the Telstra/Alcatel-Lucent FTTN trials,

In their trials, Telstra and Alcatel-Lucent used vectoring technology, which enables download speeds of up to 100Mbps on copper lines using noise-cancelling technology.

The trials, which began last month, aimed to showcase Telstra's credentials as a potential NBN construction partner.

Alcatel-Lucent said the results were consistent with its global experience of between 80Mbps and 100Mbps over 400m-500m of copper wire.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...its-100mbps-mark/story-e6frgaif-1226748468637
 
Some insight into what the strategic review is likely to conclude,

MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, that’s what we’re assessing, Hugh. We’ve got a strategic review underway. In all of these fixed-line areas, people will get access to the NBN. It may not necessarily be with fibre to the premises. In fact, for most of the brownfield areas, it’s unlikely that it would be. I would like to build as much fibre to the premises as we could, but we’ve got to get the cost down. See, the problem with the project as it’s – as Labor framed it – they massively underestimated the cost, the complexity, and the time it would take to complete.
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http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/11/03/1226752/219012-meet-the-press-transcript.pdf
 
I like this bit...

MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, those householders were victims of Labor’s lies and spin
about broadband. Labor invented all sorts of misleading metrics. Now, they had a metric
which said that construction had commenced at the point plans were called for. So if I said to
you, “I’ve started constructing my house,” you’d think there were actually builders on the
site. This is the equivalent of saying you had started construction on a new house, from the
moment you called your architect and asked her to do a sketch plan. So I’ll give you an
example.
There was one area – about 3,000 premises in Prospect, in South Australia, in Kate
Ellis’s electorate, in fact – where they said construction had commenced in April 2012.
Well, it’s now November 2013. Nothing has happened. Nothing has happened. Not even the
designs have been finalised.
So what we wanted to do, and what we will do, with the NBN is
tell people the truth. We will build the NBN – we’ll construct it. Those – everyone will get
access to the NBN. But I don’t want to have premises and areas on a map being promised a
service when there is no – when we simply don’t know when it can be delivered. So, this –
the whole culture at the NBN is changing. This is no longer about spin. It’s about fact. So we
are stating where building work has actually commenced – where work is really being done.
We’re speaking English, instead of Labor spin.
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Probably time for a new thread to reflect the change of government.

NBN Rollout downsized and gutted.
 
ghotib said:
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/about/

Perhaps he's working a lot of overtime. Surely we haven't forgotten the most recent Blue Mountains fires already - they're not even out yet.
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He could well have been holding the hose next to TA.

This though is interesting,

http://www.australianimages.com.au/opinion.php

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A few days ago, this opinion page on his photography business website had stuff about the NBN. Given the political nature of the NBN, it did cross my mind that mixing business and such an issue could potentially alienate a significant portion of his potential customer base to the extent they venture to that part of his business website.

Not any more. Perhaps he was reading my mind. ;)

EDIT: Although no longer directly through the opinion section, the prior NBN page on his business site though is still accessible.

http://www.australianimages.com.au/opinion/nbn.php
 
drsmith said:
This though is interesting,

http://www.australianimages.com.au/opinion.php

A few days ago, this opinion page on his photography business website had stuff about the NBN. Given the political nature of the NBN, it did cross my mind that mixing business and such an issue could potentially alienate a significant portion of his potential customer base to the extent they venture to that part of his business website.

Not any more. Perhaps he was reading my mind. ;)
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Perhaps his opinion responds to accurate information ;)

http://www.australianimages.com.au/opinion/index.php
 

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