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NBN Rollout Scrapped

Perhaps it's a work in progress.
The worthwhile ones usually are

Just realised my previous response might have been more obscure than I intended. I meant that the opinion page seemed to be missing because the address in your post was incomplete.

Cheers
 
Probably time for a new thread to reflect the change of government.

NBN Rollout downsized and gutted.

LOL wouldn't get a start, be claimed as a communist / socialist plot

Excellent response by the way
 
Just realised my previous response might have been more obscure than I intended. I meant that the opinion page seemed to be missing because the address in your post was incomplete.
That address is what you get when you hit the Opinion option under the site title header.

It's a problem with the link in his site.
 
Thanks Ghotib your comments / thinking is / are a pleasant change from the usual dialogue in these threads

PM Ghotib next time. NBN is a grandiose scheme thought up by an inept MP on the back of a serviette at the tax payers expense. Ooooh dear ... asbestos in a Telstra communication pit. epic fail. Cant come to terms on a point of reference on a contract that will cost taxpayers 100 million $AUD. Brownfield layouts counted in as customer connections? Really is it that bad? Please people ... can we afford as a country to lay waste like this? All for high speed internet ... but at what cost ?
 
Really is it that bad? Please people ... can we afford as a country to lay waste like this? All for high speed internet ... but at what cost ?

I just finished a lovely HD video chat with my significant other in the Philippines...i should say HD from her end because the third world Fibre TTH connection she is using supports it.

From the Australian end the story is not so good, apparently we don't need common world standard internet...only in the developed world is basic infrastructure a political issue.
 

All for the NBN So_Cynical at my end. It's got to be driven by rational economic criteria.

THE Coalition has vowed to "depoliticise" the rollout schedule for the National Broadband Network after it emerged that NBN Co was instructed by Labor to make sure work was started in every federal electorate by the next election.

The Australian can reveal that, earlier this year, the NBN Co received a letter from its then shareholder ministers - former communications minister Stephen Conroy and finance ministers Penny Wong - with the instruction to have started work in all electorates by mid-2016.

Yesterday new Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Senator Conroy "did have the electoral map" in mind when setting the design rules for Labor's network.

He also vowed that priority for the rollout under the Abbott government would be for areas with the worst services, following a review of broadband quality in all areas of Australia expected to be completed by the Department of Communications within the next 90 days.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...e-to-all-voters/story-e6frgaif-1226727265180#

 
Let's save 100 million now shall we?

THE Coalition will consider a Tasmanian Labor government plan to pioneer a faster, cheaper rollout of the National Broadband Network using overhead cables, in a potential model for other states.

Labor Premier Lara Giddings has pitched the scheme directly to Tony Abbott and Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who have agreed to consider a detailed proposal being prepared by the state-owned Aurora Energy.

The plan would complete the problem-plagued NBN rollout in Tasmania using Aurora's power poles, bypassing problems with asbestos in telecommunications pits and shaving an estimated $100 million from the $300m cost.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...heaper-nbn-plan/story-e6frgaif-1226753829038#
 
During the initial annoucements of the fibre buildout it was said some could be above ground using power poles. Seems some officials have forgotten some things.

Some of the fibre deployment would have been a good time for a number of service suppliers and governments to better develop underground services - for example many powerlines are still above ground.
 

I feel your pain.

May I ask how many $$ in exports you lost because of this travesty?

Because really it is all about export dollars isn't it?

MW
 
During the initial annoucements of the fibre buildout it was said some could be above ground using power poles. Seems some officials have forgotten some things.
Perhaps not quiet forgotten,


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...heaper-nbn-plan/story-e6frgaif-1226753829038#
 

WOW big move, the net community in general has a lot of respect for Simon.. i cant see him being a yes man to MT and i cant see him supporting FTTN, not after the fibre on a copper budget presentation...a simplified FTTP/H (without the dumbed down redundant systems) would be great.

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Simon sold out of iinet about 3 months ago and pocketed something like 50m from memory...perhaps someone had already had a word with him about his future?
 
This today in The Australian on fibre via the pole,


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...e-route-for-nbn/story-e6frgaif-1226760180929#
 
Aurora in Tasmania was building what became the NBN before the NBN as such existed and Aurora already has an operating fibre network serving a number of larger communications users.

They've had a few goes at the communications industry over the years, not always successful but things have been built and they work. It started out as a simple strategy to connect electrical sub-stations via a fibre network for electricity-related purposes and grew from there. If you're going to put a cable in, then most of the cost is getting that cable in place. So you might as well spend a bit more and get a bigger cable (more fibres) and go into the communications business as such. And so they did....

It turned into a bit of a moon shot aiming to compete with the big boys (Telstra) and the early network was built with a lot of goodwill and at low cost financially. I doubt we'll see any free labour on an actual NBN roll-out, but there's a bit of history to all of this and with a bit of luck it will happen.

Sure, it won't be perfect in some ways, but at least we might get an affordable working network installed before Telstra's copper falls in a heap. Aurora has a construction workforce, it has existing infrastructure both underground and overhead and it's government ownership gives it easy access to technical expertise and other resources within Transend (which also has potentially useful existing infrastructure) and Hydro / Entura as well so they have a good chance of actually completing the work in a sensible manner.

There's also a currently unused underground conduit network owned by the Tas Govt in a few areas also. It was installed last decade when Tas Gas (a privately owned company, not government) was installing new gas pipes and follows the same route as the gas. The idea was always to use it for a "fibre to the home" project at a later date. It's limited in coverage, but it exists. Hobart City Council also has an empty underground network in parts of the city, installed during various roadworks with similar intentions regarding future use. There's also a fibre cable within the Vic-Tas power cable as well - it's privately owned but Hydro has a long term lease on it.

Put all that together and something might just happen....
 

The NBN has never been forecast to break even until 2021.

As Sydboy has stated, there is no similar project in history that could break even in 1-3 years. It takes a year before a started connection can be used, and generate any revenue whatsoever. A year 9 commerce student could understand that basic fact.



The $100bn fantasy cost has long been debunked. While there are time delays, the NBN's fibre connection costs have come in on-budget. The only (minor) cost increase was lower revenue due to delays, not due to higher capex.





Have you been missing me?

Sorry, I don't get thread emails for some reason, and as someone suggested I've been a little busy for the last few weeks. My house is still standing, not so for ~half the street though.

I haven't deliberately changed the opinion page links on my site, although I did redo the CSS menu at the top a month back and perhaps put a broken link in there. I'll fix that for you ASAP.
 
I suspect that (along with TA), Mal is discovering that criticising from opposition is far easier than actually getting something done.

Seems that British Telecom (who are currently rolling out FTTN) agree with my assessment that rolling out FTTN in Australia by 2016 will be an impossible task.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...-fttn-network-unlikely-start-rolling-out-2015


(my bolds)

And I repeat: There is not a snowball's chance in hell that Turnbull's promise of 100% of Australian premises having 25Mbps by end2016 will happen.

The question I have for you conservatives, is whether you will be as critical of the Coalition for their poor management/fantasy timetable/lack of research/ignorance of professional opinion as you have been of the ALP? Or will all be forgiven?
 
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