Garpal Gumnut
Ross Island Hotel
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Cheers Joe, it's been a dramatic fall out.....
I expected some fairly heavy selling, but MBL is where it was some two years ago in four weeks. I was expecting 70 as a first target, not 62. I also expected it would take a lot longer! Still, it's not the heaviest sold of investment bank - BNB and AFG have actually fared worse, and I much prefer BNB model from an operational perspective from MBL's.....
Interestingly, MBL have been the only ones not saying a thing about their exposure to the liquidity crisis - any rally IMO is a selling op, I would have thought there is more bad news to come from the "house that debt built"!
All the best guys, difficult trading conditions for anyone but the short seller ATM.
Cheers
I think MBL will be a mess around $58 to $65 untill it builds again.
$40 out of MBL will not happen.
You're on.
Just a steak meat pie.
No sheppards pie.
If MBL goes to $40 you should be shorting it.
Are you currently shorting MBL? I think there is too much support around $60.00.
If it breaks down through $55 then $40 is more likely... cause theres no support at $50 or $45.
reece55,Interestingly, MBL have been the only ones not saying a thing about their exposure to the liquidity crisis - any rally IMO is a selling op, I would have thought there is more bad news to come from the "house that debt built"!
reece55,
There is a simple reason why they wont comment on their exposure to the liquidity crisis.
They don't know.
Their overseas mortgage operations are safe (they do not offer low docs outside of Oz) and their existing securitised mortgage book in Aust. (AUS $20b+) is protected, as you have alluded to in earlier posts it is their ability to raise capital & conduct M&A that will be the primary activity curtailed by the recent volitility.
Basically, their fall has been very much a speculative one, the market guessing what the likely impact will be. With so much debt funding either complete or effectiovely passed on to investors, the short term picture doesn't seem anywhere near as gloomy as one would think. The medium term picture is where the interest lies.
Not often MBL is considered a yield play...
Why oh why is our state's emblem blamed for everything?black swan events
Hey,
This is my first post on this forum and what I've seen so far it looks like a good place to hang around. Anyway, heres my dilemma. Ive got about $700 saved up through my part time job and i thought that i moswell invest it into the sharemarket seeing that ive had a few good experiences lately and its better than it sitting in the bank. Thing is that i want to sell these shares in at the end of the year for my motorbike. I am thinking Macquarie atm at maybe 68 if i can get it that low??. Just wondering what everyones thoughts are. Thanks so much in advance too by the way, glad that theres a few people that i can bounce some ideas off.
Also if i was to buy macquarie bank what do you think i should set my buying price at? Ive had a look at the market depth and by what ive seen it looks like it might be heading in the north direction again tomorrow, or i could just be completely wrong.
Hi Mofra......
I'm more worried about their exposure to their trading arm.... Per their annual report, they 15.5 Bil held as trading assets - that's 2x net equity. In addition, they say Maximum daily value at risk is 15.22 Mil - however, this of course is based on 95% of market conditions - so my question is that in a situation that has occurred where we have conditions that are essentially black swan events happening all over the world, how have they fared? One stat I draw your attention to is the notional amount of their derivative contracts outstanding - $0.8 Billion Dollars AUD in March 07- a wrong move here could be deadly! Surely by now they know how they have fared in relation to trading instruments (in fact, they should be able to mark to market it on a daily basis). Or are they having problems mark-to-marketing their books because some of their investments no longer have a liquid market.
I think that if you review the chart, you will see that something is fundamentally wrong here. Is this a correction for MBL, or the beginning of a downtrend? In reference to your yield play comment, is it really a yield play if net profit is down 30% next FY, which it could very well be (especially if there are any impairment issues)? As the payout ratio is fixed (or relatively fixed), this would mean that the yield really would be exactly what it was at $90 at our now deflated price of $60.
I am also thinking about the medium term and the medium term is that debt is going to be a hell of a lot more expensive. Cheap debt and hot equity markets are what have made MBL a good (paper profit) business - lets see how the model lasts in the conditions we will be exposed to over the next couple of years.
Put it to you this way - if it rallies to above or about $75, I will be shorting the *&^* out of the stock. Just my independent view however.
All the best
Yea thanks for the advice. I think I'm going to buy say 10 MBL shares in the next couple of days. Ive got about $1000 worth of QBE, and I'm extremely pleased after todays profit results. Any other stocks that you would recommend?
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