More Religious Nuts

ktrianta said:

Wow, it looks like you have forgotten what you wrote in your previous post. Guess that the athiestic Governments had a habit of re-writing history so why not you?

As for the question, as I said before tell me what is right and wrong and how you come to that and then I will answer, but heres a hint, don't refer to the 10 commandments.

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Yes, it's all the governments fault, and that history rewriting.,
And if you dont want to tell us your perspective of right and wrong, join another forum that perhaps encourages cryptic responses.
Now cut the medication in half , and peace be with you .

This true story is from back in the days when wars were fought by men of honour and courage, as opposed to the so-called war (Jihad) being 'fought' today by Muslim cowards and nut cases who wouldn't know how to behave like real men and women if they tried.

Charlie Brown was an RAF pilot flying a B-17 Flying Fortress with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton , England, during World War 2 . His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters - one engine was dead, much of the tail, horizontal stabilizer and nose had been shot away...it was ready to fall out of the sky. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After the damaged B-17 passed over an enemy airfield, a German fighter pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot it down. When Franz got near the B-17, he couldn't believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere.

Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to, and slightly over, the North Sea towards England . He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe . When Franz landed he told the CO that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.

More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion, together with several of Charlie's crew who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

When asked why he didn't shoot them down, Stigler later said, "I didn't have the heart to finish those brave men.. I flew beside them for a long time. They were trying desperately to get home and I was going to let them do that. I could not have shot at them. It would have been the same as shooting at a man in a parachute."


Both men died in 2008.

This was back in the days when there was honour in being a warrior. They proudly wore uniforms, and they didn't hide in ambush inside a mosque, or behind women and children, nor did they use deranged apologies for men and women as suicide bombers to target and kill innocent civilians.
How times have changed...the Muslim religion should hang its head in shame - religious nuttery of the worst kind.

bunyip said:

Hey, steady on there Darkside.....of course we believe in bunyips!

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SORRY, really sorry , was not intended that way, please accept my most humble apology, and i don't use capitals thats how much i realised my err.

ktrianta said:

Wow, it looks like you have forgotten what you wrote in your previous post. Guess that the athiestic Governments had a habit of re-writing history so why not you?

As for the question, as I said before tell me what is right and wrong and how you come to that and then I will answer, but heres a hint, don't refer to the 10 commandments.

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I've got blind reindeer syndrome on this one. No eye dear.

A 12 year old boy is beaten to within an inch of his life to "exorcise a demon" by some religious sect is NOT OK in my book. Example 1

Children die because parents don't "believe" in modern medicine in the name of their religious faith is NOT OK in my book. Example 2

Two sisters shot dead in the name of "honour" killings due to religious beliefs because they SPOKE to unrelated men is NOT OK in my book. Example 3

How did I come to this startling revelation? I am an atheist. or agnostic or whatever you want to call the damn thing.

bunyip said:

How times have changed...the Muslim religion should hang its head in shame - religious nuttery of the worst kind.

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Ok , i am not condoning their actions one little bit, so don't start calling me all sorts of bad things, but.

Their current life is one of religious propaganda and brainwashing day in and out. They are then told that they will have 72 virgin wives for every believer who is admitted to Paradise through martydom ,and paradise is a way better life than what they currently have, it's probably like , Moreton Island and the playboy mansion all rolled into one, so they are lining up for it.
As i said i don't agree with it , but i see why they do it, just another example of religion gone mad.

trainspotter said:

I've got blind reindeer syndrome on this one. No eye dear.

A 12 year old boy is beaten to within an inch of his life to "exorcise a demon" by some religious sect is NOT OK in my book. Example 1

Children die because parents don't "believe" in modern medicine in the name of their religious faith is NOT OK in my book. Example 2

Two sisters shot dead in the name of "honour" killings due to religious beliefs because they SPOKE to unrelated men is NOT OK in my book. Example 3

How did I come to this startling revelation? I am an atheist. or agnostic or whatever you want to call the damn thing.

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See, yes or no , good or bad , right or wrong , thats all we want , not cryptic answers and stories about supernatural beings and government conspiracies.

ktrianta said:

As for the question, as I said before tell me what is right and wrong and how you come to that and then I will answer, but heres a hint, don't refer to the 10 commandments.

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Stop dodging and weaving and demanding that Darkside explain right and wrong to you.
You were asked a simple question - do you have the courage to answer it, or don't you?

Muslim terrorists are using religion as an excuse to kill innocent civilians. Do you think they're justified in doing so?
Yes or no?

It's a simple question. The longer you dodge and weave and try to avoid answering it, the less credibility you have on this forum.

So I'll ask you again, in the hope that you'll be adult enough to give me a straight answer....
Is it OK for Muslim terrorists to kill innocent people in the name of religion?
Yes or no?

Many Muslims believe that an act of martyrdom will land one in Heaven with 72 vestigial virgin's at one's disposal. Oh great. Just what you need, an oversized harem comprised of fumbling, inexperienced sexual rookies who bleed profusely upon penetration. Hope you brought a change of sheets.

As that overplayed song goes, Heaven is vastly overrated. Before you can gain entrance, you must endure a grueling interrogation at the hands of St. Peter. He'll delve into every little bit of wrongdoing you've done, even those instances you've conveniently forgotten. Shoplifting, date rape, all of it (just for kicks, confess your worst below. You'll feel a lot better after getting it off your chest.) Plead the Fifth and he'll slam those Pearly Gates in your face.

Those who pass muster qualify for angelhood. Angels have wings. They can fly. I detest flying. Flying is for Peter Pan.

Like the Holy Land, Heaven is riven by religious rivalries. Jesus, Mohammed, Moses and Buddha all compete for the title of Top Prophet. Each commands a loyal fan base but only one gets to sit alongside God and fetch Him beers.

Now some would argue that Heaven rocks cause you get to hobnob with Him. But let's face it, every good person who's died is up there. Fat chance God will find time for a heart-to-heart with your sorry ass. Plus, God is a pushy, vindictive know-it-all. He's also a homophobe who destroyed entire villages cause some gays were cavorting there. And this was when he wasn't unleashing nasty plagues. Or else sacrificing His only Son to absolve our sins. As Pete Townsend once wrote, I don't need to be forgiven.

Worst of all, this is the Guy responsible for the vacuous likes of Enya. For that reason alone we should all start worshiping graven idols.

Speaking of musicians, angels are fond of idly plucking harp strings and it doesn't get any more pretentious that that. Forget a pin, ever try dancing on a cloud to harp music? Likewise, suppose you require the services of a lawyer, assassin or prostitute? You sure won't find any of them in Heaven.

So to recap: Heaven is a contentious place chock full of virgins, angels, tiresome music, God and His nosy henchmen. Not only that but you're continually surrounded by goody-goody-two-shoes. And while they may indeed be virtuous, they're about as mirthful as a global warming conference. Billy Joel had it right---the sinners are much more fun.

Four things could happen when you die: Going to Heaven, going to Hell, being cryogenically frozen Ted Williams-style or rotting in a pine box. Given a choice, I'd choose the latter any day of the week. How about you?

trainspotter said:

Worst of all, this is the Guy responsible for the vacuous likes of Enya. For that reason alone we should all start worshiping graven idols.

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hahahahahahahahah pmsl. Thats the best argument for reverting back to atheism ever, i am now throwing away all my other lines and material for that alone.

Must have scared off that one I could not make sense of? ktrianta, if you are out there we really, really would like you to come back. And bring your bat and ball too !

trainspotter said:

Must have scared off that one I could not make sense of? ktrianta, if you are out there we really, really would like you to come back. And bring your bat and ball too !

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And maybe half an ounce of that gear your on. !

I really have "no eye dear" what you are typing cryptically about?

bunyip said:

Stop dodging and weaving and demanding that Darkside explain right and wrong to you.
You were asked a simple question - do you have the courage to answer it, or don't you?

Muslim terrorists are using religion as an excuse to kill innocent civilians. Do you think they're justified in doing so?
Yes or no?

It's a simple question. The longer you dodge and weave and try to avoid answering it, the less credibility you have on this forum.

So I'll ask you again, in the hope that you'll be adult enough to give me a straight answer....
Is it OK for Muslim terrorists to kill innocent people in the name of religion?
Yes or no?

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Bunyip, clearly darkside cannot answer so why don't you answer for him as he is clearly not up to it? He seems to be more interested in denegrating people who do not share his beliefs, so maybe you can do better.

The answer to the question is not a straight yes or no.

To answer the question, you must define what is right and wrong and on what basis you came to this. So what is right or wrong and how do you arrive at this?

I like her - she has a beautiful voice..

Tink , if you promise not to tell anyone , i did like Orinoco Flow, but don't tell anyone i told you , it's our secret.

Bunyip. Ha Ha

you know why .

ktrianta said:

The answer to the question is not a straight yes or no.

To answer the question, you must define what is right and wrong and on what basis you came to this. So what is right or wrong and how do you arrive at this?

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This is like pulling teeth.
ktrianta, your answer or lack of a simple answer to a simple question can only mean that you believe that lowlife cowardly scum walking into a hotel lobby with a bomb attached is justified if it meets the parameters of a distorted "religion".

You either agree or disagree

Perhaps this is an indication of the overall problem, the inability to think for ones self and the confusion created by the need to consult a higher authority lest you get it wrong.

Very sad really.

ktrianta said:

Bunyip, clearly darkside cannot answer so why don't you answer for him as he is clearly not up to it? He seems to be more interested in denegrating people who do not share his beliefs, so maybe you can do better.

The answer to the question is not a straight yes or no.

To answer the question, you must define what is right and wrong and on what basis you came to this. So what is right or wrong and how do you arrive at this?

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My belief is , that the cowards who walked into the hotel and killed innocent people in the name of their religion is plain wrong, disgracefull, they are the lowest of the low scum, thats it black and white no grey matter, cut and dry.
The answer is simple yes or no , right or wrong , not cryptic mumbo jumbo .

ktrianta said:

Wow, it looks like you have forgotten what you wrote in your previous post. Guess that the athiestic Governments had a habit of re-writing history so why not you?

As for the question, as I said before tell me what is right and wrong and how you come to that and then I will answer, but heres a hint, don't refer to the 10 commandments.

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ktrianta said:

Bunyip, clearly darkside cannot answer so why don't you answer for him as he is clearly not up to it? He seems to be more interested in denegrating people who do not share his beliefs, so maybe you can do better.

The answer to the question is not a straight yes or no.

To answer the question, you must define what is right and wrong and on what basis you came to this. So what is right or wrong and how do you arrive at this?

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Oh, enough of this cryptic, obscure stuff, ktrianta. Let's get this sorted out.
So that we can all move on, you should yourself define what is right and wrong to you.

Hopefully that will then allow you to finally answer the question originally posed in this thread.

If that's all too hard (translation: you prefer to continue avoiding the issue) then might be best if you withdraw from the thread, given that your contribution really is not contributing in any constructive fashion.

However, I'd much prefer to see you outline your moral views as suggested above.

With thanks.

Just for you darkside:-

Let me sail, let me sail, let the Orinoco flow.
Let me reach, let me beach on the shores of Tripoli.
Let me sail, let me sail, let me crash upon your shore.
Let me reach, let me beach far beyond the Yellow Sea.
De de de de de...
Sail away,...
From Bissau to Palau in the shade of Avalon.
From Fiji to Tiree and the isles of Ebony.
From Peru to Cebu, feel the power of Babylon.
From Bali to Cali, far beneath the Coral Sea.
De de de de de...
Sail away...
Turn it up...Adieu, ooh.
From the North to the South, Ebudae unto Khartoum.
From the deep Sea of Clouds to the Island of the Moon.
Carry me on the waves to the lands I've never been.
Carry me on the lands I've never seen.
We can sail, with the Orinoco flow.
We can sail away...
We can steer, we can near with Rob Dickins at the wheel.
We can sigh, say good-bye Ross and his dependencies.
We can sail away (repeat and fade).

Right, back to work you lot. Musical interlude is over.