Question is would you support a war on Iran if the choice was to keep living your current lifestyle or the alternative of putting the western world back into a severe long lasting depression where you have no job can't feed your kids etc.
It was only back in the 30's when sydney siders were joining the hungry mile at the ports where the queue was literraly km's long of people hunting for a days work.
I don't like the idea of plundering another country but in all seriousness the US has no choice now they either take others resources or push a large portion of their pop into poverty.
Oz is somewhat shielded we have huge amounts of indeigenous resources and could prob replace oil with a larger electrical industry. The US has alot of coal but not many other large resources deposits to turn the balance of trade.
If it really came down to the tough decision I doubt any of us wouldn't steal the oil. Fact is world governments aren't going to acknowledge that publically but the tough decisions are happening right now.
That view means we are no better than the Mongolian hordes of the 13th century.
What about running the economy properly and buying the stuff.
We're going to kill 100's of 1000's of men women and children, so we can live frivolous lives filled by buying cheap Chinese tat? There is something amiss in our value system if that is the case!
FFS!
Prudence <> Poverty
kiwi. if the west (or the coallition of the willing) needs to murder iranian civilians in a bullcrap war, to protect their bottom line, we will not be the goody anymore. how would that effect the national psyce of those involved?
Kiwi, I disagree in this regard. The US needed support for GWII. They had the UK, Australia, and I think Spain initially. This was enough to give the US credibility to move in. I do feel that they might have gone solo, but the risk would have been much greater and potentially unacceptable.
In regard to Russia and China, these two countries are much, much stronger now and weilding a much bigger stick. I'd be very surprised if these two are not a serious military ally in the coming years and make the US their puppy. Give it another 15 years for a total change of leadership. We will see it.
Wow, what are we becoming if this is the veiw of our society?
Who gives a sh*t about the innocent people that will die over there and the fact they will be in pov and starving, as long as we're happy and have our oil. Very sad.
Agree totally Wayne.
I think we're closer to not being the goodie then many think. Some of the arguements to justify some of the actions of the west already leave alot to be desired imho.
Kiwi, need to check who actually supported the war in Iraq.just because alot of people won't agree with it won't mean it won't happen. There are so many puppet governments out their controlled by the US that would give their moral support. I mean half the countries that were in the coallition for iraq were back water tiny nations with no economic of population .
Actually, it's natural selection.I don't have to like it and i don't agree with it but for 2 billion years life on earth has been working on the principal of survival of the fittest,
Kiwi, need to check who actually supported the war in Iraq.
I do agree on the 'puppet' comment, but only in the sence that anyone is a puppet when it suits their own needs. On the sum of it, those supporting the US need them, under their own sence of current reality.
Actually, it's natural selection.
hahahaha very sad
you are living in a fairy land mate. I dont want to see innocent people killed and I do care but im a realist.
I don't have to like it and i don't agree with it but for 2 billion years life on earth has been working on the principal of survival of the fittest, given it has a new context because we have developed so much intellectually.
But if you really cared about everyone in africa or iran as much as you do your family or yourself why aren't you doing all you can to improve their lives.
Fact is the world CAN NOT support 6 billion people living as you and I do, there has always been people with and with out.
The very fact that you are living a consumer lifestyle is basically the same as doing the damage yourself.
You may not be shooting someone or dropping a bomb directly but those 1000 dollars worth of chinese made plastic gadets you give your family at xmas with no real need for them other than to get a smile from you kid is taking resources away from feeding hungry africans etc etc.
Innaction and ignorance is no better than been directly involved in the persecution of others.
I get worked up on it as well, especially in the lead up to every ANZAC day. I've just been reading about some of the Western Front calamity in WWI and it's just shocking. Just remember that military action is an extension of politics by other means. We have all signed up to the present government, and their alliances, and our military will do what out government sees fit. The military are extentions of ourselves. There's many Aussie troops returning traumatised from Iraq and Afghanistan because we sent them there.True
I just get worked up on this topic because there are 19 year old US kids over in Iraq right now that really have no other reason to be there other than to get their education paid for at a 2nd rate college to better their lives. When in fact they will probably go home traumatised, scarred having nightmares for the rest of their life (if they dont end up disabled or dead) and the real reason they are they is to protect our way of life so people like you and I can sleep well at night in the nievity that even though we really are good people at heart the truth is we are indirectly just as responcible for actions and inactions that cause pain and suffering around the world.
I get worked up on it as well, especially in the lead up to every ANZAC day. I've just been reading about some of the Western Front calamity in WWI and it's just shocking. Just remember that military action is an extension of politics by other means. We have all signed up to the present government, and their alliances, and our military will do what our government sees fit. The military are extentions of ourselves. There's many Aussie troops returning traumatised from Iraq and Afghanistan because we sent them there. KennasTrue
I just get worked up on this topic because there are 19 year old US kids over in Iraq right now that really have no other reason to be there other than to get their education paid for at a 2nd rate college to better their lives. When in fact they will probably go home traumatised, scarred having nightmares for the rest of their life (if they dont end up disabled or dead) and the real reason they are they is to protect our way of life so people like you and I can sleep well at night in the nievity that even though we really are good people at heart the truth is we are indirectly just as responcible for actions and inactions that cause pain and suffering around the world.
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I just get worked up on this topic because there are 19 year old US kids over in Iraq right now that really have no other reason to be there other than to get their education paid for at a 2nd rate college to better their lives. When in fact they will probably go home traumatised, scarred having nightmares for the rest of their life (if they dont end up disabled or dead) and the real reason they are they is to protect our way of life so people like you and I can sleep well at night in the nievity that even though we really are good people at heart the truth is we are indirectly just as responcible for actions and inactions that cause pain and suffering around the world.
Here we go...again with this pre-emptive nonsense, because it was such a success in Iraq.
Are we getting low on Oil again ?
The US military economy must need a boost.
Should China launch a pre-emptive strike against America to prevent future Iraqs/Afghanistans/Iran's happening?:
I'm unedcuated and ignorant
The section in bold..how has that actually happened in Iraq?
WMDs were never there, so the WMD situation hasn't changed. You've asserted that the US is stealing oil, so howcome oil is getting more expensive and the US economy is tanking?
Sure Saddam is gone, whether life for Iraqi's is any better questionable. But its a moot point in terms of how it protected *our* way of life.
The terrorists how have a foothold in a part of the world they weren't in
Our "western" societies are becoming more draconian, invasive and in fact have resulted in less freedom *boo terrorism, need security, give money now or your family will DIE, and don't try complaining about it you terrorist sypmathiser *
So remind me again why the young kids are over there?
Our "western" societies are becoming more draconian, invasive and in fact have resulted in less freedom *boo terrorism, need security, give money now or your family will DIE, and don't try complaining about it you terrorist sypmathiser *
So remind me again why the young kids are over there?
Kiwi,OIL
our entire way of life is based on CHEAP abundant energy.
Kiwi,
Have you considered that there will be a transition period between fossil fuels, and 'natural' energy, or an alternative, like solar, wind, wave etc. Fossil fuels are not the ONLY solution. We will mearly go through an economic transition. The reason why we still live off fossil fuels is because they are abundent, and economic to process and use. Once the balance tips we will go to other means. Right now we are developing those means and one of the most significant enablers of those means is nano technology which is being held back because it is not required just yet. Nano is going to change EVERYTHING for us in the coming years. Think about a solar panel on your house and car roof that provides ALL the energy you need in your life. That is the outcome. At the moment it is not required because of world economic equilibrium. We will probably see it in our time however.
Kiwi, I don't think it can be done. We can't even be best friends with our neighbours without a fence and council rules. And, we barely get on with the people inside our house because of differences. How is the world going to get on? Or the universe?hang on think about it this way what should our goal be as humans?
world peace, every person fed, clothed and educated. A economy and way of life that works with the environment, equal opportunities..
How can we possibly get to any of these ideals without some form of WORLD government. I acknowledge the dangers of a world government but realistically think of the huge potential benefits.
Yep totally agree Kennas, nano will fundamentally change the world we live in, it will usher in a new 'age'.Right now we are developing those means and one of the most significant enablers of those means is nano technology which is being held back because it is not required just yet. Nano is going to change EVERYTHING for us in the coming years.
YES! and it's why we have survived and become the dominant species. Having big brains and thumbs has aided in that regard. I think we've been lucky in a confluence of ideal circumstances that has allowed the caveman to survive. Who knows how it really happened, but here we are. Maybe it was blind luck!Totally agree mate and the one thing about humans are we are good adapters.
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