Letter to employees--This IS the way it is

[tech/a]

What bearing would that have?

Experience--been there done that--youd have a similar story---every bigger business has a smaller business story behind it. Gordon seriously I have my own and can certainly identify with whats written. We all have been on the employee side of the fence (well most of us) and thats why we got to this side. We all have a story employers and employees.

Came across very arrogant to me (maybe that's not the right word).

Excellent--matches your condesending tone.

Also, it is nothing more than a chain letter that started in the USA and has been conveniently converted to aussie style words and slangs

Well the guy who sent it to me sent it to his Employees back in Janurary.
He has an international business with 14 employees here in Adelaide.
He liciences the production of the product (Graffiti Remover) around most of the world.

I'll ask him if he's lying.

 

[moXJO]

What bearing would that have?

If you ran a business you would at least identify with some of the points raised in the letter. It can be very frustrating with the amount of red tape a business owner must deal with.

Wage slaves don't really get it (or just don't care). Not saying they are against the employer in any way though. But that letter would reflect a lot of employers sentiment IMO.

 

[CanOz]

Sometimes i think you can tell age and maturity just from the responses you get to stories like this, i.e. an entrepreneur. I'm not an entrepreneur in the true sense of the word, however the business i'm in is known for its entrepreneurial feel to it. Thats why i can relate to the story, as i treat this business as my own.

Those who cannot or who have never felt entrepreneurial, have no way to relate to the passion in the letter, and will make comments like "he sounds arrogant".



CanOz

 

[beerwm]

I dont like it how the politicians just go on about JOBS!!

shouldnt they be focusing on production? GDP, standard of living, efficiencies, etc.

if you want to give people jobs,

print some money and pay them to dig holes in the outback

 

[gordon2007]

Experience--been there done that--youd have a similar story---every bigger business has a smaller business story behind it. Gordon seriously I have my own and can certainly identify with whats written. We all have been on the employee side of the fence (well most of us) and thats why we got to this side. We all have a story employers and employees.

I think you're assuming I'm not in business or have never had a business of my own.

I have owned more than one business and have sold two for a handsome profit. I have had employees before.

I still stand by what I wrote...it's a bitterly written email and serves no purpose.

I can totally understand and appreciate the time and effort a person puts into running their own business. I can also appreciate the mental effect it has on one to have other peoples careers and livelihoods on your shoulders. But with all that said...it's still a bitterly written and letter in poor taste.


I normally agree with everything you post...but not this time. But then again, people are not going to agree to everything. I can agree to disagree on this particular subject.

 

[Star]

Tech/a,

As a business owner and manufacturer of Australian made products, This letter hits the nail on the head! spot on!

 

[CanOz]

Experience--been there done that--youd have a similar story---every bigger business has a smaller business story behind it. Gordon seriously I have my own and can certainly identify with whats written. We all have been on the employee side of the fence (well most of us) and thats why we got to this side. We all have a story employers and employees.



Excellent--matches your condesending tone.



Well the guy who sent it to me sent it to his Employees back in Janurary.
He has an international business with 14 employees here in Adelaide.
He liciences the production of the product (Graffiti Remover) around most of the world.

I'll ask him if he's lying.

Tech, tell him to move his business here, to China.

If he hasn't considered it yet, maybe its a good time. They're getting more business friendly here all the time.


Cheers,


CanOz

 

[RobinHood]

I actually thought it was an absolute piece of crap letter.

It's bitterly written by someone who appears to be on the edge of losing their business.

Also, it is nothing more than a chain letter that started in the USA and has been conveniently converted to aussie style words and slangs.

It provides no substance but to pit the rich against the poor, the employee against the employer.

TA...I actually quite surprised you posting something of such trash.

What exactly about this letter scares you so much?

What do you disagree with? - apart from the tone. I disagree with yours btw because it comes of as self-righteous and smug with nothing behind it. Its usually the warning bell of an approaching looter.

Is it that

" Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Canberra black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries."?

or that he even has a right to this money?

"If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your 4WD and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more."

Maybe its this part. Is he responsible for you Gordon? is he responsible for the rest of the Australian communities financial health? Should his wealth be confiscated for the greater good?

 

[Prospector]

Are you a moderator Timmy, gosh, I have never heard of you before. Or is it just your by-line? If so, then it is misleading and it should go.

Maybe he is, his name is in blue like Prawns!

 

[moXJO]

Are you a moderator Timmy, gosh, I have never heard of you before. .

Timmys been around for a bit I thought

(Oops perhaps not according to the join date)

 

[Gundini]

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had the government suddenly mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Canberra black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.



It's quite simple.



Your Employer

John

I agree that this is a better way to try and stimulate the economy...

Business growth is the engine room and driving force of the economy.

The current form of stimulus is without foundation.

 

[prawn_86]

Are you a moderator Timmy, gosh, I have never heard of you before. Or is it just your by-line? If so, then it is misleading and it should go.

Maybe he is, his name is in blue like Prawns!

Timmys been around for a bit I thought

(Oops perhaps not according to the join date)

Timmy is a mod, however he has been MIA the last couple months...

 

[Largesse]

snore

that letter is older than the internet

seen it posted everywhere

 

[prawn_86]

snore

that letter is older than the internet

seen it posted everywhere

Yep i agree. Pretty sure it has even been posted here on ASF before in a different thread

 

[Largesse]

Yeh, I thought so too

To be honest, I actually thought the person who posted it the first time was tech/a.

Wouldn't surprise me really, he seems like a fair douchebag

 

[cuttlefish]

I can understand the sentiment in the letter but I can also see where Gordon is coming from about it sounding bitter.

I've owned a reasonable sized business with many employee's and it took me a while to realise that no matter how much loyalty or sense of responsibility you might feel towards your employee's and how well you might treat them - the bulk of them probably don't feel much sense of responsibility or loyalty back to yourself or the company and will happily leave mid-project for higher pay or a perceived 'better' job elsewhere, or take a sickie or book a holiday when its convenient for them regardless of what might be going on and what projects they may be involved in, or what presssures the business may be facing etc.

If in business, you need to be enjoying it. This letter does come across as a bit bitter imo. Sure I can understand all of the logic encompassed in the letter but i doubt it would have much of a positive effect on employee's and if someone is really feeling that much pressure and unhappiness in the business, they should probably be selling out and getting that place in the bahama's anyway.

I completely agree about the ridiculousness of the govt handouts and level of taxation (e.g. payroll tax is one of the more aggravating taxes) that impact businesses but I'd see no real value in sending a letter like that out to employees.

But it can be 'lonely at the top' for a business owner no doubt about that. Better bitching/moaning/letting-off-steam to someone else who is in business who will understand, rather than to your employee's imo.

 

[nunthewiser]

Yeh, I thought so too

To be honest, I actually thought the person who posted it the first time was tech/a.

Wouldn't surprise me really, he seems like a fair douchebag

hahahahahah..................oh dear


funny tho


actually agree with the sentiments of that letter .......

 

[bunyip]

That bosses letter really hits the nail on the head. Someone sent it to me and I posted it on 'The Second Stimulus Package' thread back in February.
I agreed with it then and I agree with it now.
It's not at all bitter or in poor taste.....the bloke is just telling it how it is. Anyone who runs or has run their own business will identify with how they're being taxed out of existence. I know more than one person who has sold their business and simply put the money into passive investment such as residential real estate in growth areas. After many years in business they'd had a bellyful of getting slugged with all the ridiculous taxes and charges and indirect costs that are levied on business.
As the people who supply jobs, business owners should be looked after, not screwed at every turn by greedy governments.
Less taxes and charges on business = more profitable businesses = more and better paid jobs = more money for employees to spend in the economy = economic stimulus all round.

 

[bunyip]

Re: Letter to employee's--This IS the way it is.

Yes, Australia is a Joke at the moment.

Any fool knows that business grows economies, not giving to the poor. The poor don't give to an economy, only take from it.

Snake
You're partly right and you're partly wrong.

Right in saying that 'business grows economies.'

Wrong in saying that 'the poor don't give to an economy, only take from it'.

Even the poor spend money, and every dollar spent boosts the economy to some extent. In fact, it's their constant boosting of the economy that keeps some people in the poor house. Have you ever noticed how many poor people have enough money for fast food, booze, cigarettes, pokies, horses, hotted up cars etc, but live from one pay day to the next, always short of money?
While all these things are a waste of money and completely unnecessary, their purchase nevertheless provides considerable government revenue, income for business, and overall stimulus for the economy.

I'm all for giving breaks to business that will enhance their productivity and profitability. But let's not forget that your average bloke or woman in the street who struggles to make ends meet and is unlikely to ever be in business for him/herself, nevertheless stimulates the economy by spending money every day of the week.

 

[Trevor_S]

I'll ask him if he's lying.

He never wrote it, it's modified slightly from "the original" which has been circulating for quite some time. The bit's that make it pop as American in this version are the "Unemployment Taxes", we don't have those here. the other bit that has been added into it is the xenophobic bit about refugees.

As a small businessmen myself (recently 60 employees until I sold 1/2 my business last year) the rest of it rings true but he isn't the original author.

There's another version of it here
http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showtopic=48283