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I'm starting to seriously think that the best "answer" is to do nothing. Just stand aside and let the clubs attracting attention lose their license. Whoever opens up in their place will hopefully take the hint and be a bit more cautious in their service of alcohol.Without any disrespect intended - most of you are grasping at straws with little current real life experience or research.
I can speak with authority on the issue because I work in the security arena in a hotel. Plus I researched the role of security in hotels (bouncers) before becoming one.
This is the most important aspect of the issue. Drinking in moderation turns normal people in relaxed normal people. Increasing that intoxication - as I have noticed - takes people down one of two tracks; they either become very happy friendly drunks (the majority) or they become aggressive violent drunks.
In the hotel where I work, the instant we notice a person becoming the later, they are given free water only or offered the door BEFORE it becomes a problem. That is the responsible service of alcohol in action and has made our hotel one of the safest around.
Nearby is a club where they are not so strict on service and they have plenty of problems - to the point where their license is under review.
Ive been in clubs many a time where everyone is poping eggs and their still violent.Its not drugs its not alcohol its just D*ckheads that get more balls after they use either.
I reckon it could be de-sensitization to violence - look at popular movies like Hostel, Saw etc: they are pr0n for sadists. I don't mind violent movies when it isn't gratuitous but some of these flicks are sickening.
My last venture into the city at night via cab was scary too.Driving along Ann street in the cab and this bloke walks out in front of the cab to stop it with hands raised.I thought what a d.h. and the cabbie had no choice but to stop.The young man approached the cabbie and demanded he be taken in the cab and quickly jumped in the back seat.It was then i noticed he had the biggest shiner but that was enough for me, rounded up the cab fee and alighted from the vehicle in the middle of the street.
So here i am walking the final 1 kilometer to destination and the cab scene had me on edge.I approached a group of youths (me on high alert) that were blocking the pavement.They were loud and play fighting each other but there were respectable people within 20 meters so i proceeded to pass them at which time they went quiet.I felt at any moment in that time it was going to be on for young and old but they parted and allowed me through.
If you are alone it is like in the wild i suppose with hyaenas etc. that the single or lone animal is the easier target.Impinging on someone elses life seems to an acceptable practice in Australian society.Bad move son.
Good post arae.
Some great points, Arae.
Maybe it's lack of self respect as well as respect of others.
I went out last night to see a band in Townsville. As I was flying solo I rode the bike in for easy parking. I figured the band would kick off about 11.30pm so I got there just after 11pm. What was apparent within seconds was the amount of aggression. The security staff were all on edge. I waited in line for a light beer to sip on during the gig and was just waiting for some sort of trouble to start.
It certainly seemed the young girls were the really rude aggressive ones. I've come to the conclusion I am now officially old. Maybe it was always this way?
On a tangent, it was very suprising and disturbing to see the amount of tattoos on peoples faces and neck regions. Is this just fashion now? Twas once a correlation between tattoos above the neckline and mental instability IIRC.
My involvement in this is not at an official level, more that of an interested person.
The underlying reasons for my concern are several:
1. Impact on those innocent people bashed for no apparent reason.
2. That the majority of non-violent people will be disadvantaged unfairly if the only solution is to shut everything down.
3. The economic impact.
3.1 Tas has an historic problem economically with people leaving around their late teens.
3.2 Tourism. Turning Hobart into a city that's completely dead at night will only revive the pre-2000's stereotype that "it could be worse, we could be in Hobart" and "nothing ever happens in Tas, it's soooo boring".
As for my own views on the cause:
First thing I think has been done wrong is to cram practically everything into the one spot.
Also there's the point that Gatecrasher was in the same street as the main city police station. Wrest Point has plenty of its own security being a casino. And Surreal was on a very busy road between the CBD and the casino. So lots of police / security around all of them without any special effort being needed.
Problem number two IMO is that following the highly controversial demise of Club Surreal following a fairly major battle with surrounding residents, other club owners feel a sense of doom.
Problem number three IMO is lack of capacity. We've replaced the bigger clubs with capacity 1200 - 1500 with smaller venues half that size or less. End result is not everyone can get in.
Also the quality. We've replaced award winning venues with clubs that were never actually completed to original specification. Quality out, cheap and nasty in.
A 3am lockout, whilst well intentioned, combined with smoke free laws has compounded the capacity problem. The great rush to get back in by 3am and of course no going out for food, to smoke etc afterwards unless you're going home.
But if you are going home then it's either join the taxi queue or walk. Public transport basically doesn't exist at that time of night
And number four. The other big one that I'm really not sure of the impact. It was this one that lead me to leave the question "open" here and just see if it came up. Illegal drugs. 10 years ago it was pretty uncommon to come across anyone here on drugs, especially anything harder than home grown dope.
What impact the drugs have on violence is something I really don't know. But I do know that it is the most blatantly obvious thing that "changed" in recent times. It's gone from unusual to mainstream amongst the clubbing age group.
My real question though is whether or not there is a viable solution?
1am closing is being proposed by some but I'm not convinced.
Also it means an awful lot of people kicked out onto the streets all at once with nowhere to go and no viable means of getting home in reasonable time. The problems have always peaked around kick out time as it is, and that's with many having left earlier.
So I really don't know. I'm starting to think that just standing back, watching the whole waterfront clubs thing implode and that then ending up with some new, more geographically dispersed clubs opening might be the best solution after all since it at least disperses the people. ???
OK, but a question (not trying to shoot you down, just trying to get to the bottom of the issue).:their should be no drink served after 1am anywhere
Good post, very interesting. Would I be right in assuming that fewer people also use drugs due to more strict law enforcement than we have in Australia?It's not the internet, mobile phones and excessively violent video games and movies.
My home is Jakarta and all of the youth in Indonesia are exposed to the same things, but to an even greater extent. Jakarta people also know how to party and the bar/club scene dwarfs that of any Australian city.
Yet, the violence doesn't exist.
People are calm and respectful.
Why is it I can safely walk the streets of an impoverished city of 20 million people at 3am? Yet, not do the same in a more 'developed' nation?
I agree with those that put it down to a lack of respect.
Indonesian youth, as with other asian cultures have a strong respect for their elders and teachers. Australian culture has lost this form of respect. I'm a teacher, so have experienced this first hand. It's also this lack of respect that contributes to keeping me from returning to Australia.
Just my point of view.
OK, but a question (not trying to shoot you down, just trying to get to the bottom of the issue).
Why didn't we have anywhere near as much trouble 10 or 15 years ago? We had nightclubs open to 5am etc but only recently has it become this bad. What's changed that makes serving alcohol after 1am a problem now?
Why didn't we have anywhere near as much trouble 10 or 15 years ago? We had nightclubs open to 5am etc but only recently has it become this bad. What's changed that makes serving alcohol after 1am a problem now?
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