Labor's carbon tax lie

[sails]

Looks like no-one wants to hear any more fibs about the climate - this is so funny:

 

[drsmith]

Looks like no-one wants to hear any more fibs about the climate - this is so funny:

To Labor, that is a crowd.

They see the average voter as having the brains of an empty chair.

 

[Logique]

GetUp will be circling like vultures today as the convoys arrive, cameras at the ready.

When GetUp and the trade union executives directly lobby government, that's alright, but should ordinary Australians dare to intrude into this convenient closed shop of influence - much consternation, they're extremists and unrepresentative, or anything else to discredit ordinary Australians.

 

[sptrawler]

Whats this One Steel talking about shutting down its steelmaking furnaces, even Wayne Swan says they are not competitive.
But wait aren't we going to put a carbon tax on them so they will spend millions of dollars changing to clean sustainable furnaces.
Jobs for the future in our new world, built on cleaning up our industries.LOL
New jobs cleaning the streets and queing up for an interview at McDonalds.
Meanwhile the steel will be made overseas and we will buy carbon credits off them. Yep this is magic for your kids future, maybe parents should be in politics?

http://www.smh.com.au/business/onesteel-ponders-steelworks-closure-20110816-1ivca.html

As soon as the carbon tax compensation payments finish, so will the blast furnaces.

I noticed Bluescope are only laying off 1000 and it has nothing to do with the upcomming carbon tax. Lets see how long they keep running after the compensation stops.
Also lets see what steel making aquisitions they make between now and then, especially overseas.

 

[drsmith]

As soon as the carbon tax compensation payments finish, so will the blast furnaces.

That's what the Greens want.

Labor does not care one way or the other, as long as they can maintain office a moment longer.

 

[sptrawler]

That's what the Greens want.

Labor does not care one way or the other, as long as they can maintain office a moment longer.

Well don't you have to do three terms in office to get maximum benefits?

 

[sptrawler]

I noticed Bluescope are only laying off 1000 and it has nothing to do with the upcomming carbon tax. Lets see how long they keep running after the compensation stops.
Also lets see what steel making aquisitions they make between now and then, especially overseas.

Actually, I think i have worked out what the carbon tax compensation package is, it's the redundancy package. Thats why it was brought forward for bluescope, it covers the redundancy payments for closing down.
Ah yes the clever country.

 

[So_Cynical]

Looks like no-one wants to hear any more fibs about the climate - this is so funny:

Today's carbon tax protest - non event looks to be equally unappealing.

 

[sptrawler]

I really must stop posting on this topic, I am becomming too sucked in.
But when you read the cr@p that this guy writes, it just makes my blood boil.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-bluescopes-job-losses-are-a-good-sign-20110822-1j5u9.html

It has been a while since I worked in the steel industry, but how you can compare the upstream requirement of Germany's furnaces with ours is pulling a long bow.
Germany is a massive manufacturing economy(actually supporting the EU). It produces Generators,Turbines,Vehicles and a multitude of industrial equipment. They are also geographicaly located where the major markets are.
To sugest that bluescope has to generate a demand for its product like Germany is just bl@@dy stupid and to think I used to think this guy was pretty clever.
Just goes to show the older you get the easier it is to see $#!t from clay, without having to taste it.

 

[drsmith]

Today's carbon tax protest - non event looks to be equally unappealing.

Did Labor describe it as the convoy of no consequence ?

 

[DB008]

Interesting. Could be BS, but does raise a few interesting points.

http://kzoo.co/VyQHed

 

[sptrawler]

Australia's only solar panel manufacturer. Moving the plant to China, what isn't that one of our new jobs in the renewable revolution, the new world that is going to open up opportunities for us.
What an absolute joke.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...t-hits-par-with-coal-fuel-20110817-1iybc.html

I hope they can hang if for a couple of weeks, Julia and Wayne are comming to the rescue with a plan.LOL

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ts-protectionism/story-fn59niix-1226120243132

 

[sails]

...Julia and Wayne are comming to the rescue with a plan.LOL

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ts-protectionism/story-fn59niix-1226120243132

Run for the hills. Anything those two touch doesn't seem to end well...

 

[IFocus]

I really must stop posting on this topic, I am becomming too sucked in.
But when you read the cr@p that this guy writes, it just makes my blood boil.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-bluescopes-job-losses-are-a-good-sign-20110822-1j5u9.html

It has been a while since I worked in the steel industry, but how you can compare the upstream requirement of Germany's furnaces with ours is pulling a long bow.
Germany is a massive manufacturing economy(actually supporting the EU). It produces Generators,Turbines,Vehicles and a multitude of industrial equipment. They are also geographicaly located where the major markets are.
To sugest that bluescope has to generate a demand for its product like Germany is just bl@@dy stupid and to think I used to think this guy was pretty clever.
Just goes to show the older you get the easier it is to see $#!t from clay, without having to taste it.

Never worked around steel making but have worked around Germans and their technology a number of times starting in the 80's.

What struck me in the 80's is their thinking and work ethic.

I was working with guys the same age and younger and they were better trained, had much higher standards / expectations and they completed tasks far faster than any equivalent Australian.

I suspect we didn't develop our steel making to the same standards as the Germans.

I always nearly throw up when I hear about our technology in breaking rocks.

 

[Smurf1976]

I suspect we didn't develop our steel making to the same standards as the Germans.

I always nearly throw up when I hear about our technology in breaking rocks.

I'm no expert on steel but I suspect it at least partly comes down to scale.

There are a few industries in Australia that do operate at an internationally significant scale but there aren't too many. The ones that come to mind as being globally significant are:

The alumina refineries, the aluminium smelters in Qld, NSW and Vic plus TEMCO and the zinc works (both in Tas) are the heavy manufacturing industries that come to mind as being at or close to a global scale of operation. Practically everything else just isn't large enough to be competitive.

Perhaps there are some others, but those are the ones that come immediately to mind. Of note is that all of those are huge energy users, that being one of the very few areas in which Australia is actually competitive.

 

[wayneL]

Perhaps there are some others, but those are the ones that come immediately to mind. Of note is that all of those are huge energy users, that being one of the very few areas in which Australia is actually competitive.

For now.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

You quoted some random guys blog to prove it wasn't a tax

You aren't referring to MB as a "random guys blog" I hope

and unlike you, I do not have to add an ad hominem insult to bolster a spurious argument.

You talking about insults? Very rich.

 

[wayneL]

You talking about insults? Very rich.

There is a difference between criticizing people's logic and direct personal insult. I play the ball, you play the man.

 

[IFocus]

There is a difference between criticizing people's logic and direct personal insult. I play the ball, you play the man.

Ammmhmm whats that phase cognitive forgetfullness behavioral bias I am perfect and its everyone else?

A bold claim indeed............

 

[IFocus]

By Dennis Shanahan no less

Point being its the wrong debate in the national interest.......oh that's right its all about Abbotts obsession to gain power.

"Mr Abbott, please play us something other than that toxic tax tune"

THE time has come for both sides of politics to break the carbon obsession that is distorting the economic debate, creating uncertainty and providing false and over-hyped hopes, fears and expectations.

For too long Labor has built its argument for political and economic success on the introduction of an emissions trading scheme-carbon tax, and for too long Tony Abbott has argued too specifically on resisting the carbon tax as his alternative recipe for political and economic success.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...t-toxic-tax-tune/story-e6frgd0x-1226122394892