Labor's carbon tax lie

[Calliope]

Abbotts policy just sucks bit like him but just keep looking the other way...and keep saying Great Big Tax.

Abbott's policy is a pretend policy. A pretend policy for a pretend problem. If elected he will let it wither on the vine. He wouldn't be able to get it through the Senate anyway.

Abbott opposes the carbon tax but doesn't have the guts to put forward as an alternative what he would really like to do: nothing, because he questions the science and the value of a small nation acting when the rest of the world won't.

So instead, despite being the leader of the Liberal Party, he backs inefficient and expensive direct action as an alternative way of achieving a 5 per cent reduction in emissions by 2020, all the while trying to conveniently forget this is a bipartisan target

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-his-front-bench/story-e6frgd0x-1226085894549

 

[IFocus]

Abbott's policy is a pretend policy. A pretend policy for a pretend problem. If elected he will let it wither on the vine. He wouldn't be able to get it through the Senate anyway.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-his-front-bench/story-e6frgd0x-1226085894549

Agree likely out come for Abbott to take a similar line as Canada have just done don't act until the US acts which boils down to the condition of the economy.

Assuming Abbott wins the next election and acts accordingly then I guess that strengthens the greens position.

As for the pretend problem you had better hope so, I notice a wide ranging politicization of the issue on both sides but very little in the peer review area refuting the science of GW.

 

[Julia]

Abbott's policy is a pretend policy. A pretend policy for a pretend problem. If elected he will let it wither on the vine. He wouldn't be able to get it through the Senate anyway.

Agree. It seems to have met with no approval from anyone and is, at best, a gesture.
I'd have more respect for him if he'd been true to his genuine beliefs and said the Coalition simply would not be introducing any price on carbon or taking direct action on CO2 until and unless the rest of the world acted.
But in the meantime, he should have come up with sensible policies for the general reduction of pollution.
I'd be surprised if such a combination of policies didn't receive more support from the electorate than his current untruthful posturing of 'half believing/half not believing'.

 

[sails]

...Just keep looking the other way folks....

Yep, that's what's happening - and very sensibly, imo.

From the Telegraph by Simon Benson: Angry voters want election before carbon tax

With less than a third of all voters now claiming to support the tax, the federal government is facing a nationwide backlash if it proceeds.

An exclusive Galaxy poll commissioned by The Daily Telegraph has revealed 73 per cent of people claim they will end up worse off under the tax. Just 7 per cent believe they could end up better off in some way.

 

[sails]

More fibs?...

Source: http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/07/01/1226085/867056-110702-leak.jpeg

 

[noco]

Why won't these so called alarmist debate Global Warming, eeeerrrr (climate change)?

What have they got to fear?

Have they had instructions from the Green/Labor socialist left government to refuse debate?

Brown/Gillard'S TACTICS OF CONTROL,CONTROL,CONTROL. Let the brainwash continue without scrutiny.




http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...l/comments/column_the_closing_down_of_debate/

 

[joea]

Why won't these so called alarmist debate Global Warming, eeeerrrr (climate change)?

What have they got to fear?

Have they had instructions from the Green/Labor socialist left government to refuse debate?

Brown/Gillard'S TACTICS OF CONTROL,CONTROL,CONTROL. Let the brainwash continue without scrutiny.




http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...l/comments/column_the_closing_down_of_debate/

noco
For some reason there are some people that want to smash everything that is good
so they can be seen to fix it.
The problem is that they do not understand that if "its not broken, don't try to fix it".
I have seen this in a company that I once worked for.
They are now $23 million in debt. But they keep coming with these new ideas to make money, as long the governmemt is paying.
It's like a virus. Must be in the drinking water.!!!
joea

 

[noco]

noco
For some reason there are some people that want to smash everything that is good
so they can be seen to fix it.
The problem is that they do not understand that if "its not broken, don't try to fix it".
I have seen this in a company that I once worked for.
They are now $23 million in debt. But they keep coming with these new ideas to make money, as long the governmemt is paying.
It's like a virus. Must be in the drinking water.!!!
joea

Joe, I would say the water they ARE drinking is GREEN..

 

[dutchie]

Is this the simplified version of the Carbon Tax

Juliar before election - there will be no carbon tax

Juliar after election - there will be a carbon tax (with a little help from others)
especially if I can call it something else.

Tax big polluters.

Big polluters - if we are going to be taxed we will raise our prices
- if we raise our prices we will get same profit so there is no need to reduce pollution or change our ways.

general public - gee prices have gone up but no worries the government is giving us a hand out to cover that - so there is no need for us to change our ways.

does this tax change the amount of carbon pollution????

Bring in the tax and Australia will reduce its carbon output ( will it???)

This will hurt our economy - that's all right we will just sell more coal overseas!

 

[drsmith]

Juliar before election - there will be no carbon tax.......

Bob Brown before election - There will be a carbon tax.

Juliar after election - there will be a carbon tax......

 

[sails]

Bob Brown before election - There will be a carbon tax.

And now, it's not called a tax. Naughty Mr Rabbit for calling it a tax...

 

[Calliope]

Gillard excuses all her policies, including the carbon tax, by saying that it is in the "national interest," whereas the opposite is the truth. Banning the live cattle trade and engaging in in a live people trade with Malaysia are not in the national interest.

Bob Brown on the other hand makes no pretense of doing anything in the national interest. He is intent on working with Gillard on the carbon tax to put Australian industry at a disadvantage to our competitors, and to destroy the coal industry, which is the basis of our economy.

Gillard is a confirmed liar, but to claim she does anything in the national interest is an ongoing whopper.

 

[Smurf1976]

It's all gone now with the zinc works, Comalco (Rio Tinto), Temco, Boyer and the two breweries being about all that really remains in terms of large scale manufacturing.

And now management of the zinc works have announced likely closure directly due to the carbon tax.

In terms of local impact in Tas, that's like saying we're going to shut down the iron ore industry in WA, the financial services industry in Sydney or coal in Qld. The zinc works directly contributes 15 - 20% of exports from Tas and injects a huge amount into the lcoal economy via wages, contractors, purchases of goods and services, taxes and so on. It is the third largest zinc production plant in the world.

I would say "last person out, turn off the lights" but at this rate nobody will be able to afford to have them on in the first place.

Yet another nail in the coffin as the Greens wreck this state and, increasingly, the rest of the country as well.

 

[Wysiwyg]

And now, it's not called a tax. Naughty Mr Rabbit for calling it a tax...

Yes I noticed today the P.M. used the term carbon "pricing". The term "tax" was the sledgehammer to crack the nut and now they will move to placate the majority(?) that think this approach is a bad idea. The first one being that there will be no effect at the fuel depot for trades people, small business and norms. The myriad of other "effects" are still under discussion but we should have the master plan by this week.

 

[-Bevo-]

And now management of the zinc works have announced likely closure directly due to the carbon tax.

In terms of local impact in Tas, that's like saying we're going to shut down the iron ore industry in WA, the financial services industry in Sydney or coal in Qld. The zinc works directly contributes 15 - 20% of exports from Tas and injects a huge amount into the lcoal economy via wages, contractors, purchases of goods and services, taxes and so on. It is the third largest zinc production plant in the world.

I would say "last person out, turn off the lights" but at this rate nobody will be able to afford to have them on in the first place.

Yet another nail in the coffin as the Greens wreck this state and, increasingly, the rest of the country as well.

Is that Nyrstar Zinc your talking about? Were did you hear about the likely closure very interested to hear more I happen to work at the only other zinc refinery here in Townsville.

 

[-Bevo-]

Are yep found it.

Carbon tax fear for workers
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2011/07/03/242651_tasmania-news.html

This is bad reminds me of Tata Steel

Tata blames green taxes for 1,500 UK jobs cull
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...blames-green-taxes-for-1500-UK-jobs-cull.html

Gillard was on the news the other night saying it the big polluters that will pay and they'll see this carbon price and say to themself how can we reduce this cost, well Gillard all of the above is one way.

 

[drsmith]

No suprise here.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...mmission-inquiry/story-fn59niix-1226087008063

Meanwhile, in the real world,

Greens Deputy Christine Milne and Independent Tony Windsor say it is impossible for the Government to promise a carbon price will never be imposed on fuel.

Senator Milne said the 17 per cent of Australia's greenhouse emissions that come from transport must be "dealt with".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/04/3260247.htm?section=justin

 

[Calliope]

Poll in today's SMH;

Poll: Are you more likely to support a carbon tax now petrol is excluded?
Yes
32%
No
68%
Total votes: 3352.Poll closes in 18 hours.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...s-is-coming-20110703-1gxcs.html#ixzz1R7I5EYD6

 

[trainspotter]

Prime Minister Julia Gillard will now need the support of all of the Greens almost all of the time to get legislation through both Houses.

For example, while Ms Gillard yesterday announced that petrol for working Australians would escape her carbon tax regime, the Greens won a concession from the Government that could ultimately push prices up regardless.

The Greens secured a Productivity Commission review into fuel excises, which could ultimately make all drivers pay more for petrol. The Greens said they would continue to push for fuel to be priced in a way that reflected its impact on the environment.

"We want Australians to drive less and . . . drive more efficiently," deputy leader Christine Milne said last night

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/pus...sk/story-e6frfm1i-1226086766373#ixzz0sh8iHSj5



Bob Brown on his way to paliament.

 

[IFocus]

Poll in today's SMH;

Poll: Are you more likely to support a carbon tax now petrol is excluded?
Yes
32%
No
68%
Total votes: 3352.Poll closes in 18 hours.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...s-is-coming-20110703-1gxcs.html#ixzz1R7I5EYD6

Where did the 32% of cyclists come from?