+1.Should there be a national plebiscite on whether to impose a carbon tax?
Yes 88.46% (2016 votes)
Mr Windsor,Mr Windsor also said it was a stunt that would waste money as he called on Mr Abbott to instead give his own MPs a conscience vote on the issue.
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Reading the article, I note messrs Windsor and Oakshott are not too happy about the people having a say.
Mr Windsor also said it was a stunt that would waste money as he called on Mr Abbott to instead give his own MPs a conscience vote on the issue.
Mr Windsor,
The politicians have had their say. Both major parties went to the election with pledges not to tax carbon dioxide during this term.
Mr Wilkie says he will not make a decision until he gets advice on whether the $80 million spend is a money bill.
This is the context in which Tony Windsor's excuse below should be viewed,Someone will correct me if I'm misunderstanding how it all works, but won't the votes of both Senator Fielding and Senator Xenophon then become immaterial?
Mr Windsor says he is rejecting it because he thinks it is "a stunt" and because no carbon price legislation has been agreed to in the Multi-Party Climate Change Committee.
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Reading the article, I note messrs Windsor and Oakshott are not too happy about the people having a say.
Mr Windsor,
The politicians have had their say. Both major parties went to the election with pledges not to tax carbon dioxide during this term.
Mr Albanese highlighted Mr Abbott's admission on morning radio that, if the proposed plebiscite endorsed the tax, he would still go to an election pledging to repeal it.
"I think that fact that it is a stunt is exemplified by Tony Abbott's own words," he said.
You missed this bit
Sort of kills Abbotts line I would think, what a tosser.......
Not at all. That's his policy.Sort of kills Abbotts line I would think, .......
I agree it would have been better if Abbott didn't say that line, but on the positive side he was being honest. If one looks at it logically, should the majority want the tax, then there is a good chance he won't be PM anyway, so I guess he had nothing to lose.
However, I think the absolute resistance of Gillard and the indies in NOT wanting to let the people have their say despite Gillard's promise of NO carbon tax doesn't show the spirit of democracy. Rather it shows that they prefer a dictatorial government.
So, Abbott made one mistake and he is slaughtered. Gillard & co refuse point blank to give the people an opportunity to have a say and that's OK with you? You don't care about democracy, IFocus?
IF,Where are all the ministers being forced to resign as a result of being caught out by the opposition .......none whats so ever Abbott is so over stated its not funny.
Not at all. That's his policy.
Labor's pre-election deception was also not to tax carbon dioxide. We now know otherwise. That's the point of the plebiscite.
The pot would be well aware of it's own coat of carbon in relation to it's policies.Yes, pot kettle black comes to mind here...
But it seems the pot has trouble seeing just how black it is and points it's accusing finger at the kettle with three fingers firmly pointing back to itself...
Sails understand your points but democracy happens when the government of the day calls an election not when the opposition leader demands it.
Where are all the ministers being forced to resign as a result of being caught out by the opposition .......none whats so ever Abbott is so over stated its not funny.
Its a great environment for us political junkies at the moment but lets face it all the parties currently are the second string reserve players I think we are an election or two away from until we see some real head kickers start leading the country.
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a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
IF,
It's good to see you back in full flight. I was beginning to think you had been a victim of one of Kevin Rudd's bunker busters.
They don't resign at the ALP. They jusy carry on regardless and knife their PM in the back.
At least John Howard was upfront enough to take his GST to the polls and in retrospect it has turned pretty well IMHO.
its a little different selling a tax reform that doesnt actually reform but costs jobs, raise prices and base it solely on climate religion. GST was designed to replace a whole bunch of outdated taxes (thus reform) whilst giving the state govts enough tax revenue to elimate federal funding to the states (looks like the states have been run well recently)..
going to plebiscite would be the cheapest measure for the Australian economy on the question of climate 'science'
Maybe we could just whack a gigantic export tariff on our coal exports to India and China seeing as they are the worlds biggest polluters. Call it a carbon reduction tariff or some crap like that. That might encourage them to reduce their consumption. Seeing as they don't seem too concerned about doing anything on a global scale we could do it for them rather than screw our own economy.:
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