Labor's carbon tax lie

[Julia]

I didn't comment on how good or bad they are or have been...simply pointed out that any Party that stays in power for 15 years is a "roaring success" certainly when compared to a online poll with 15000 signatures.

That's a really silly comparison. Quite irrelevant to compare an online poll going a couple of days with the tenure of any government There is simply no connection.

That is, the ideologically approved will receive electricity compensation. For a little while anyway, until the heat is off.

Exactly. Anyone who falls for the lie that they will continue to be compensated into the future is naive in the extreme. I'll be surprised if it's not just a one-off handout to the poor in an attempt to shore up their vote in the meantime.

I think most of us wouldn't mind the additional impost on our cost of living if we believed if actually were for a valid reason.
e.g. I'd be happy to pay an additional tax if it were to go to setting up a national disability insurance scheme, or even to ensure more hospital beds for those who can't afford private insurance.

But no, we can whack up more detention centres: the number of beds I heard was 1500 somewhere near Darwin, and an extension of the use of the motel in Darwin.
But to hell with Australians who need basic healthcare.

 

[orr]

My god the impost could be as high as one ad a half pairs of half decent sneekers, I'm on my way to ruin. It's taken six years but that Bolshie claptrap "stern report" all that early action twaddle, has weedel'd it's way into the black totalitarian commie heart of the ALP(and the majority of thinking australians). I'd like to write more but I'm off to V8 ute circle work'n'muster where we're all safe behind the cloud of bull dust, not much different to in here.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Then again she is the PM, and can do anything she wants, as long as its ok with the Greens and those 3 ******** independents.

Give her a bit of space.

gg

 

[poverty]

Clearly there is no coincidence that the Mayans predicted 2012 to be the end of the world, the exact same year we're due to face the effects of this carbon tax. The Mayans predicted the carbon tax!

 

[-Bevo-]

Wayne Swan moves to ease carbon tax fears

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...carbon-tax-fears/story-e6frg6xf-1226016628626

"I accept that there's a lot of confusion about the fact that we are bringing in an interim price, which people describe as a carbon tax," Mr Swan told the Nine Network.

"But it doesn't operate like a traditional tax, like Mr Abbott says ... it is not deducted from your pay packet, it comes from the big polluters."

Feel so much better why all the worry this is not really a tax and anyhow only the big polluters will pay and Im sure they will be happy to do so and not pass on any cost, move offshore or reduce there number of workers.
Wayne for PM.

 

[Logique]

Clearly there is no coincidence that the Mayans predicted 2012 to be the end of the world, the exact same year we're due to face the effects of this carbon tax. The Mayans predicted the carbon tax!

Yes, a simile that goes even further..

http://ambergriscaye.com/museum/digit14.html
Bishop de Landa, in the sixteenth century reported: "Into this well they have the custom of throwing Men alive as a sacrifice to the gods in times of drought, and they believed they did not die though they never saw them."

Now in the 21st century, we again see a ruling elite who believe that sacrificing humans will change the climate.

Warning - if anybody approaches you carrying a bucket of blue paint - run like the wind!

 

[orr]

r..Now in the 21st century, we again see a ruling elite who believe that sacrificing humans will change the climate.

More in line really with the dark art of Economics. Its referred to as pricing an externality. With regard CO2 it comes after one hundred and fifty years(see Irishman John Tyndall) of slowly compounding scientific theory on the subject of the release of fossil carbon. To the point where we are now, with empirical evidence that alines with the warming prognosis.
Tragically for those rooted in the past, Thermal lag can only hold back effect for so long. This inertia holds back scientific and industrial advancement that goes with correctly pricing a pollutant.
Currently your typical efficiency of your petrol powered car is 20%, eight dollars out of every ten just thrown it on the ground every time you fill your tank . To accommodate a 5% increase in the price of petrol, you'd be more than compensated with a vehicle of 22% efficiency... But of course these type of lifestyle changes are out of the question in a culture where profligacy defines you .

 

[IFocus]

The scare campaign is starting to bite but then this and you wont read it from the Australian

Expert downplays carbon tax price rises

The carbon tax debate raged on in Canberra this morning as a visiting European Union carbon price expert declared people would see little impact on their cost of living under the scheme.

The 500 million people in European Union countries have lived with an emissions trading scheme since 2005.

Apparently the sky didn't fall in

Jill Duggan, a carbon price expert from the EU's Directorate-General for Climate Action, says the scheme has created more jobs and was easier to implement than first feared.

Briefing journalists in Canberra, she said carbon tax only accounted for a fraction of the yearly price rises for fuel.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/08/3158186.htm

 

[noco]

Wayne Swan (aka the GOOSE) thinks he can fool voters with his statement that the Carbon Tax won't come out of our pay packets. As Cory Bernadi says the carbon tax will affect our cost of living from costs passed on whether it be electricity or transport. Everything will be affected. Yes, he is right it won't come out of your pay packet as a tax but the unscrupulous will add more than the original cost and you and me will pay dearly.


http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/03...m_campaign=Feed:+CoryBernardi+(Cory+Bernardi)

 

[noco]

Why can't Gillard, Swan and Combet tell the truth on this confounded CARBON TAX?
Even 'BLIND FREDDIE' can see through these people that it is not a scare campaign by Abbott. What Labor, sorry the Greens, are doing is plain scary to say the least and it is beginning tp backfire on them.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...sformation_gillard_once_boasted/#commentsmore

 

[trainspotter]

The scare campaign is starting to bite but then this and you wont read it from the Australian

Apparently the sky didn't fall in

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/08/3158186.htm

Repeat of post #170

Look at how well the "cap and trade" ETS has worked in Europe now shall we?

As the cross-party Commons Environmental Audit Committee noted: “there is little or no evidence that Phase I is leading to any cutbacks in actual emissions at all, whether in the UK or elsewhere in the EU.” In its first year of operation (2005 to 2006) emissions covered by the ETS rose 3.6% in the UK, and rose by 0.8% across the EU as a whole.

http://www.openeurope.org.uk/research/etsp2.pdf

Apparently the sky DID not fall in ???

 

[sails]

Repeat of post #170

Look at how well the "cap and trade" ETS has worked in Europe now shall we?

As the cross-party Commons Environmental Audit Committee noted: “there is little or no evidence that Phase I is leading to any cutbacks in actual emissions at all, whether in the UK or elsewhere in the EU.” In its first year of operation (2005 to 2006) emissions covered by the ETS rose 3.6% in the UK, and rose by 0.8% across the EU as a whole.

http://www.openeurope.org.uk/research/etsp2.pdf

Apparently the sky DID not fall in ???

lol - and emmissions actually rose...

So, what's the point of hurting families with this money grabbing spree when it's clear it's not going to help?

But, of course, we have a government that appears to be spending more than incoming revenue and they seem to be desperate to get more from somewhere.

 

[tothemax6]

Wayne Swan (aka the GOOSE) thinks he can fool voters with his statement that the Carbon Tax won't come out of our pay packets. As Cory Bernadi says the carbon tax will affect our cost of living from costs passed on whether it be electricity or transport. Everything will be affected. Yes, he is right it won't come out of your pay packet as a tax but the unscrupulous will add more than the original cost and you and me will pay dearly.


http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/03...m_campaign=Feed:+CoryBernardi+(Cory+Bernardi)

I have always considered Wayne Swan being the Treasurer, as being akin to employing a ballerina to build a bridge. As far as economics goes, he is worse than a layman. A layman simply knows very little - but Wayne Swan 'knows' economics such that he is precisely and completely wrong on everything. He is only in government because the private sector employs people based on merit .

 

[Logique]

I have to laugh when Europe is held up as the shining example of anything.

Europe with its array of basketcase economies, national debt levels on the never-never, all with their hands in Germany's pocket to bail them out.

Sure let's follow them off the cliff.

 

[trainspotter]

The French government on Wednesday said it would abandon its plan to introduce a carbon tax on domestic energy and road fuels unless there was agreement for a European Union-wide levy.

The U-turn on the controversial environmental tax come two days after the governing UMP party of President Nicolas Sarkozy suffered a heavy defeat in regional elections. Senior UMP politicians have blamed the defeat in part on the proposed tax, which was due to come into effect on July.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1b000010-3686-11df-8151-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1G3HXAWCB

Sound familiar? "The greatest moral challenge of our time" ring any bells? Political suicide.

Even in Europe, which has an ETS but can't seem to meet its international targets, the focus of attention has switched to financial insecurity in the wake of revelations about ballooning government debt in countries such as Greece and Portugal after what was also the coldest European winter in more than 30 years.

What's this ?? A scandal no doubt !!

Since then, however, much of the drought has eased and the UN Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change has been engulfed in scandals attached to its data analysis.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-moral-challenge/story-e6frg6z6-1225859592923

So there you have it folks. It all sounds wonderful in Utopia doesn't it? Until you have to pay.

 

[Logique]

Sound familiar? "The greatest moral challenge of our time" ring any bells? Political suicide.

It's the Bob Brown government's political equivalent of WorkChoices.

 

[trainspotter]

Rank Country Annual CO2 emissions
(in thousands of metric tonnes) Percentage of global total
World 29,321,302 100%
1 China 6,538,367.00 22.30%
2 United States 5,830,381.00 19.91%
- European Union 4,177,817.86[11] 14.04%
3 India 1,612,362.00 5.50%
4 Russia 1,537,357.00 5.24%
5 Japan 1,254,543.00 4.28%
6 Germany 787,936.00 2.69%
7 Canada 557,340.00 1.90%
8 United Kingdom 539,617.00 1.84%
9 South Korea 503,321.00 1.72%
10 Iran 495,987.00 1.69%
11 Mexico 471,459.00 1.61%
12 Italy[12] 456,428.00 1.56%
13 South Africa 433,527.00 1.48%
14 Saudi Arabia 402,450.00 1.37%
15 Indonesia 397,143.00 1.35%
16 Australia 374,045.00 1.28%
17 France[13] 371,757.00 1.27%
18 Brazil 368,317.00 1.26%
19 Spain 359,260.00 1.23%
20 Ukraine 317,537.00 1.08%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

Saudi Arabia has about 27 million people. Do they have a carbon tax ? NUP.

But they do know all about our proposed carbon "price".

I especially liked this bit: - "Brown said compensation claims by emissions-heavy industries should be assessed by an independent arbiter or review process, to ensure corporates did not use their political influence to escape costs and leave taxpayers to make up the shortfall. "

http://arabnews.com/economy/article305562.ece

 

[Logique]

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
Emissions stats at: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/environment/air_co2_emissions.htm

How much can you trust a warmist? Here’s Prime Minister Julia Gillard on the ABC’s 7.30 this week, selling her great new tax on carbon dioxide:

CHRIS UHLMANN: But if the United States doesn’t put a price on carbon, why should Australia?

JULIA GILLARD: Well we have to look at our own national interest and our own national circumstances. The reality is we are bigger emitters of carbon pollution per head of population than the United States of America.

Climate Change Minister has made the same claim:

Australia is the largest per capita emitter of carbon pollution among the developed economies.

False. Check the latest figures from the United Nations. Australia is out-ranked on per-capita emissions not only by the United States, but Aruba, Bahrain, Brunei, Falkland Islands, Kuwait, Netherlands Antilles, Qatar, Trinidad and Tobago and the United Arab Emirates.

Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop has confirmation:

According to a Reuters report of November 14, 2010, which used data from the US Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Centre, the top per capita emitters of fossil fuel carbon dioxide (in tonnes) in 2007 were: Qatar 51.3, Kuwait 34.0, United Arab Emirates 30.9, Bahrain 29.5, Trinidad and Tobago 27.7, Luxembourg 24.2, Brunei 19.5, United States 19.0, Australia 17.7 and Saudi Arabia 16.9.

In the context of a global picture, the level of emissions per capita is less important than total emissions.

Again Reuters has reported, based on data from the German renewable energy institute IWR, that the top national emitters of carbon dioxide (in millions of tonnes) in 2009 were: China 7426.4; US 5951.0; Russia 1534.4; India 1529.1; Japan 1225.2; Germany 796.6; South Korea 664.2; Canada 605.9; Saudi Arabia 544.4; Iran 544.4.

On this list, Australia comes in 16th, with 374 million tonnes - or 1.28 per cent of global emissions.

 

[Calliope]

Even though we don't lead the world in per capita emissions, we can still hold our heads up high. We lead the world in the export of fossil fuels, so we should be able to be credited with some of China's total emissions of CO2.

 

[noco]

Broken promise by Gillard on a caron dioxide tax may prove to be fatal.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-can-prove-fatal/story-e6frg6zo-1226018638050