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Have been around guns all my life, brought up on a farm, shot my first roo when i was about 12, felt like **** (turns out i really like animals)
I had that same experience...
For those who oppose Prawn's idea - I think you'll find that most hunters are in tune with the environment and want to protect as much as, if not more than, anyone else.
Please lets avoid the personal attacks and focus on the topic. IE the merits and/or benefits of killing for food. Or reasons why you shouldn't kill your own food
I can honestly say that I still remember the best tasting chicken l have ever eaten was at my cousins place in Eastern Europe. Home grown chicken. Killed the day before. Corn fed. Organic. Wow. Nothing comes close. Tender, juicy, full of flavour, melt in your mouth...
Also, the smoked spec and Csabai/Hazi Kolbasz (smoked, home-made Hungarian sausage) is out of this world. You can't even buy produce like this in Australia. The 'Aussie' sausages are just saw dusted compared to what you can get in Europe.
Please don't tell me to take a deep breath or anything else. I'm entitled to hold whatever view I do.Julia take a deep breath and just hang on. I am a slaughterman (abattoir chain line and solo kill) and I could not agree more with Prawn, the amount of people that tell me I'm awful for the work I've done while chowing down on a chicken sandwich blows my mind.
It is. And most of us who make any contribution to the topic do so because our views, on both sides, are strongly held. That is no reason to be rude or to make personal attacks. I suggested earlier that it's a topic which will never end in happy agreement.I will be very interested to see what other board members have to say on this issue. Always seems to be a contentious topic!
And that was my point. When people had to kill to provide food for themselves, of course it's reasonable.Dad was a butcher
Brother still is.
I used to go shooting all sorts of things when a kid.
One night chasing rabbits in a ute across a field on a hot summers night
3 of us gunning down rabbits as they ran everywhere until one poor bugger was left being shot at
by 3 of us.
I can still hear the screaming of terror from that poor rabbit.
I stopped everyone from shooting and from that day forward havent shot or been interested in terrifying another living creature.
If I had to to survive then Id do it.
We are also talking about the provision of food. My contention is that if you do not have to provide your own food (i.e. you have access to purchase of all kinds of food) why would you want to kill an animal unless it's for fun (what you probably call sport) or in an attempt to reduce overpopulation of a species.We are talking about food now stay on topic!
Oh goodness, I'm sure the total depletion of the entire food supply of Australia is just around the corner!Prawn advantages of killing your own food:
knowing how to handle yourself in the event of an unstable collapse in the economy/country
????? This is what I will never get. How can you be demonstrating respect for an animal by killing it?Me too. Whenever i kill an animal (not that it is often nowadays) there is always that feeling of empathy and respect knowing that it died at your hands.
Surely we have Hungarian butchers in Australia?!
(I've seen Italian, Austrian, Polish and German butchers)
Adams Continental Smallgoods.206 Cobalt St, Carole Park
Please don't tell me to take a deep breath or anything else. I'm entitled to hold whatever view I do.
You, in the above paragraph, are completely misinterpreting what I have said. I have not objected to the industry which kills animals for food. People want to eat meat. Therefore we need such an industry.
I am not ignorant of the processes in abattoirs: my husband worked in one as a medical student.
I am, however, critical of any killing process which causes the animals unnecessary distress or pain,
something referred to later in this thread apparently as being "mushy", probably sentimentally stupid.
Too bad.
What I have been responding to essentially is the suggestion in the guns thread that hunting animals is fun for the whole family, a great day out in the fresh air etc. That just sickens me.
I also qualified my comments by saying an obvious exception is any creature that is in nuisance proportions and/or is a threat to other animals.
It is. And most of us who make any contribution to the topic do so because our views, on both sides, are strongly held. That is no reason to be rude or to make personal attacks. I suggested earlier that it's a topic which will never end in happy agreement.
And that was my point. When people had to kill to provide food for themselves, of course it's reasonable.
I understand people on farms killing their own food.
But Prawn's comment about demonstrating respect for an animal by killing it just makes no sense to me, especially as I know he lives in a city which undoubtedly has plenty of food available for purchase.
We are also talking about the provision of food. My contention is that if you do not have to provide your own food (i.e. you have access to purchase of all kinds of food) why would you want to kill an animal unless it's for fun (what you probably call sport) or in an attempt to reduce overpopulation of a species.
Oh goodness, I'm sure the total depletion of the entire food supply of Australia is just around the corner!
????? This is what I will never get. How can you be demonstrating respect for an animal by killing it?
If I come to your home and kill you, would you appreciate that I was doing it out of respect for you?
????? This is what I will never get. How can you be demonstrating respect for an animal by killing it?
If I come to your home and kill you, would you appreciate that I was doing it out of respect for you?
Prawn
what i dont understand with people who dont like killing is not their views because everyone is entitled to have a view and perspective in life but its the few always telling people who "do" kill its wrong and how can you do that etc... yet you dont see me saying how come your not killing animals?
as soon as they bring up the "dont kill story" i automatically ask them do you meat?
you see if you eat meat yet you dont agree with the killing of it then you are a person who contradicts
Abbatoirs are generally not much more humane that hunting (unless the animal gets badly wounded) so i dont see how people can agree with eating meat from there, yet not be willing to experience killing their own. I can kill a chicken just as humanely as an abbatoir can...
Plenty of vegans out there who are entirely healthy without meat.+1
and the other point they don't seem to "get" is: Nobody has claimed that killing is the means to show an animal respect. You can, however, respect the individual creature, yet abide by Nature's laws that (1) humans are omnivores that need meat in their diet,
I have already acknowledged that any creature in undue proportions needs to be culled.and (2) culling is essential for the overall health of any species.
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