And you love Rudd because you are a leftie. And did you notice that nearly all the world leaders were absent from the chamber when Rudd addressed the assembly. Most of those who stayed dozed off. You and he have one thing in common. You are both boring.
Natchezz. The message I get is that in order to stop your abuse I have to stop criticising Kev Rudd and his supporters. OK, I'll stop. You win.
lol - of course that is all you got out of that Calliope. I rest my case. You are welcome to criticise policies/actions/events with some reasoning - but the constant negative commentary without any reasoned argument or fact is something I can't be bothered to listen to mutely.
OK. That's reasonable and I accept it on that basis. The general feeling at the time, though, seemed to be that the signing was going to put a lot right. Possibly just my interpretation.T
- maybe Kyoto was outdated but like many people I felt that we had to do it in order to have any meaningful say in the world on the environment and emissions and any future schemes. Sitting back and telling others to do something first when we are one of the worst per capita polluters (as the US is still doing) just didn't cut it for most people, myself included.
Actually I spoke soon after the "Sorry" to several aboriginal people who were asking: "and how is that going to make my life better?" Obviously just a small sample of the population but more than a few of them actually commented that "John Howard was more honest about how he felt." They seemed to regard Mr Rudd as insincere. These comments were without any prompting from me other than "How do you feel about Mr Rudd's apology?"- 'Sorry' was never meant to 'fix' the social problems of aboriginals. I don't think anyone claimed it would. They (aboriginal people, or at least their vocal representatives) wanted some acknowledgement that they had been greatly wronged in the past by the government of Australia. John Howard didnt do it, Rudd did. That is all it was meant to be. Generations of social issues were hardly going to be fixed overnight by doing it and I would be surprised if you could find an aboriginal who thought it would. I would also be surprised if you could find an aboriginal person who didn't think that saying 'sorry' wasn't a fantastic thing. How is that than a meaningless posture?
The pre-election promise was that this was fully costed and ready to roll.Education revolution will take time and money - the second of which may be more difficult to come by with the current economic situations - at least if they continue to be financially prudent. I would be prepared to wait till the end of his term before I judge him 9 months into it whether he has had any success with this.
Well, it's the same old story, isn't it. People feel that if governments are urging them to do something for the greater good, there should be some financial assistance to that end. I do agree with you here. We have become far too much a dependent and quibbling society.I agree that putting a means on the solar rebate plan has not given the desired result. It is a shame though that people that obviously are doing alright can't put their own money into it, instead of relying on a gov't handout.
I don't disagree with the 'intelligent and hardworking'. However, 'effective' is probably a more important quality and this is what I'm questioning.I don't think its egocentricity that has him rushing around the world but we will have to agree to disagree there. I believe he is doing his best to try and form relationships with people that will help him in his agenda of getting accord on emissions, trade and strategic partnerships. Depends who you want to believe, but everything I have seen or heard about Rudd is that he is intelligent and hardworking
Charm alone will never be enough. It's early days with Mr Turnbull so it would be premature to make a judgement. All I'd say for now is that his undoubted charm is backed up by a very successful business career.- that hardly equates with the egocentric timewaster some sections of the media would have you believe he has suddenly become. Unfortunately he does not have the natural charm and wit of someone like M. Turnball, and unfortunately I think people are too easily swayed by fairly inconsequential stuff like that.
What part of "you win" don't you understand. Now you say I can only criticise if I follow your rules. You can be negative but I can't. No thanks. You will have to pick on somebody else. There is no shortage of people who don't share you political beliefs
Fair enough - I knew it wasn't going to fix anything by the mere fact of signing but at least we have joined the vast majority of the world indicating we want to do something other than sit on the fence.OK. That's reasonable and I accept it on that basis. The general feeling at the time, though, seemed to be that the signing was going to put a lot right. Possibly just my interpretation.
My experience was different to yours. I only spoke to my mate (who is aboriginal) but he was genuinely chuffed, as was his family, about the apology. This seemed to agree with the comments the media showed us from aboriginal people. I agree that the plan formulated by Noel Pearson appears to be great but I think that plans like that only work if you are a person, likely an aboriginal yourself, with a vested interest in that particular community. It is a tough situation built up over 200 years and I don't think anyone is going to provide a quick fix to intergenerational problems.Actually I spoke soon after the "Sorry" to several aboriginal people who were asking: "and how is that going to make my life better?" Obviously just a small sample of the population but more than a few of them actually commented that "John Howard was more honest about how he felt." They seemed to regard Mr Rudd as insincere. These comments were without any prompting from me other than "How do you feel about Mr Rudd's apology?"
Now had it been followed up by some meaningful plan (such as Noel Pearson has subsequently formulated at Cape York), then I'd agree that it was very worthwhile indeed. But on its own, just a gesture. If that's all folks were looking for, then fine.
Yeh, no argument there - although I (possibly cause I do vote left) put it in perspective of the Liberal gov't defunding education for 12 years in Australia.The pre-election promise was that this was fully costed and ready to roll.
Hence the disappointment and disillusionment.
Yeh and I agree with you that the policy was a poor one that has not produced the desired effect and was, if looked at, never going to. I guess they felt that they had to tighten the budget given the economic client and some things had to go - obviously this one was one they thought they could let go. Seriously though i reckon they would get better value for money spending money on this policy then supporting some new emission friendly car building scheme for Australia that is never likely to eventuate or beat other cheap car manufacturing countries that are already well into investing in the technology.Well, it's the same old story, isn't it. People feel that if governments are urging them to do something for the greater good, there should be some financial assistance to that end. I do agree with you here. We have become far too much a dependent and quibbling society.
I don't disagree with the 'intelligent and hardworking'. However, 'effective' is probably a more important quality and this is what I'm questioning.
If egocentric is a little unkind, then perhaps I could moderate that to say that I feel he has an exaggerated sense of his importance in the global scheme of play.
Charm alone will never be enough. It's early days with Mr Turnbull so it would be premature to make a judgement. All I'd say for now is that his undoubted charm is backed up by a very successful business career.
And thanks for engaging in a reasonable discussion - much appreciated.
Sorry you felt I couldnt engage in reasoned discussion...
And thanks for engaging in a reasonable discussion - much appreciated.
He is quite embarassing and eccentric the way he acts in public.
I'm guessing that a lot of you blokes critical of Rudd
a) didn't agree with the "Sorry" statement
b) didn't agree with signing Kyoto (and all the opportunities that will flow from that) ..
Sorry chaps - but your opinions on those fronts are now irrelevant - history moves on.. You've gotta learn to be better at losing ...
We move on to other points where they (also) have a mandate...
c) toning back Workchoice.
etc
The installers of solar panels don't seem to have a problem with the rebate threshold. They can't keep up with the demand from what I hear.
A DOWNTURN in the solar energy market is already clear just two months after the Rudd Government changed the rules over rebates, according to the Electrical Trades Union (ETU).
The claims that job opportunities were being "killed off" by the rebate changes were presented to a Federal Parliamentary committee hearing in Melbourne yesterday.
Ms Schoots said ETU members had reported a decline of close to 70% in the number of solar panel installation requests.
lol. here we go.
ok 2020,
a: what has saying sorry actually done for the country?
b: what has signing kyoto actually done for the country?
Satisfied the majority of the people in the country who wanted it to happen and voted him in expecting him to.
Satisfied the majority of the people in the country who wanted it to happen and voted him in expecting him to.
Last month the rooster (sorry Swan) clearly stated he would put pressure on the Banks to pass on any interest rate reduction by the RBA.
Today he does a back-flip and he states the banks do not have to pass on any intersest rate reductions. Does he know what he is doing? He seems to be in a muddle at the moment and Rudd should bring him into line.
One day they both state the Labor party inherited a poor economy from the HOWARD/COSTELLO government and the next day with USA economy in crisis, they say we have a strong economy which will see us through hard times. Somebody please tell me they are not taking the credit after such a short time in office or are they now talking up the economy to gain public confidence?
Beats the S*#T our of me!
"If they are so sound", said Ms Moore, "shouldn't the government be happy to guarantee deposits"? Excellent question. She repeated it several times.
But our fine Prime Minister, in true bureaucratic style, managed not to answer.
Clearly it's fine to talk up the banks, but he isn't going to back that up with any sort of government guarantee.
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