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Re: Rudd - I'm happy with his progress

And you love Rudd because you are a leftie. And did you notice that nearly all the world leaders were absent from the chamber when Rudd addressed the assembly. Most of those who stayed dozed off. You and he have one thing in common. You are both boring.

Another reason Krudd and Little Johny are the same. They both enjoy getting their rocks off in a half baked congress........ sad for Australia!
 
Re: Rudd - I'm happy with his progress

Natchezz. The message I get is that in order to stop your abuse I have to stop criticising Kev Rudd and his supporters. OK, I'll stop. You win.
 
Re: Rudd - I'm happy with his progress

Natchezz. The message I get is that in order to stop your abuse I have to stop criticising Kev Rudd and his supporters. OK, I'll stop. You win.

lol - of course that is all you got out of that Calliope. I rest my case. You are welcome to criticise policies/actions/events with some reasoning - but the constant negative commentary without any reasoned argument or fact is something I can't be bothered to listen to mutely.
 
Re: Rudd - I'm happy with his progress

lol - of course that is all you got out of that Calliope. I rest my case. You are welcome to criticise policies/actions/events with some reasoning - but the constant negative commentary without any reasoned argument or fact is something I can't be bothered to listen to mutely.

What part of "you win" don't you understand. Now you say I can only criticise if I follow your rules. You can be negative but I can't. No thanks. You will have to pick on somebody else. There is no shortage of people who don't share you political beliefs
 
Re: Rudd. I'm happy with his progress.

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- maybe Kyoto was outdated but like many people I felt that we had to do it in order to have any meaningful say in the world on the environment and emissions and any future schemes. Sitting back and telling others to do something first when we are one of the worst per capita polluters (as the US is still doing) just didn't cut it for most people, myself included.
OK. That's reasonable and I accept it on that basis. The general feeling at the time, though, seemed to be that the signing was going to put a lot right. Possibly just my interpretation.



- 'Sorry' was never meant to 'fix' the social problems of aboriginals. I don't think anyone claimed it would. They (aboriginal people, or at least their vocal representatives) wanted some acknowledgement that they had been greatly wronged in the past by the government of Australia. John Howard didnt do it, Rudd did. That is all it was meant to be. Generations of social issues were hardly going to be fixed overnight by doing it and I would be surprised if you could find an aboriginal who thought it would. I would also be surprised if you could find an aboriginal person who didn't think that saying 'sorry' wasn't a fantastic thing. How is that than a meaningless posture?
Actually I spoke soon after the "Sorry" to several aboriginal people who were asking: "and how is that going to make my life better?" Obviously just a small sample of the population but more than a few of them actually commented that "John Howard was more honest about how he felt." They seemed to regard Mr Rudd as insincere. These comments were without any prompting from me other than "How do you feel about Mr Rudd's apology?"

Now had it been followed up by some meaningful plan (such as Noel Pearson has subsequently formulated at Cape York), then I'd agree that it was very worthwhile indeed. But on its own, just a gesture. If that's all folks were looking for, then fine.



Education revolution will take time and money - the second of which may be more difficult to come by with the current economic situations - at least if they continue to be financially prudent. I would be prepared to wait till the end of his term before I judge him 9 months into it whether he has had any success with this.
The pre-election promise was that this was fully costed and ready to roll.
Hence the disappointment and disillusionment.



I agree that putting a means on the solar rebate plan has not given the desired result. It is a shame though that people that obviously are doing alright can't put their own money into it, instead of relying on a gov't handout.
Well, it's the same old story, isn't it. People feel that if governments are urging them to do something for the greater good, there should be some financial assistance to that end. I do agree with you here. We have become far too much a dependent and quibbling society.



I don't think its egocentricity that has him rushing around the world but we will have to agree to disagree there. I believe he is doing his best to try and form relationships with people that will help him in his agenda of getting accord on emissions, trade and strategic partnerships. Depends who you want to believe, but everything I have seen or heard about Rudd is that he is intelligent and hardworking
I don't disagree with the 'intelligent and hardworking'. However, 'effective' is probably a more important quality and this is what I'm questioning.
If egocentric is a little unkind, then perhaps I could moderate that to say that I feel he has an exaggerated sense of his importance in the global scheme of play.


- that hardly equates with the egocentric timewaster some sections of the media would have you believe he has suddenly become. Unfortunately he does not have the natural charm and wit of someone like M. Turnball, and unfortunately I think people are too easily swayed by fairly inconsequential stuff like that.
Charm alone will never be enough. It's early days with Mr Turnbull so it would be premature to make a judgement. All I'd say for now is that his undoubted charm is backed up by a very successful business career.


And thanks for engaging in a reasonable discussion - much appreciated.
 
Re: Rudd. I'm happy with his progress.

What part of "you win" don't you understand. Now you say I can only criticise if I follow your rules. You can be negative but I can't. No thanks. You will have to pick on somebody else. There is no shortage of people who don't share you political beliefs

I understand that Calliope. But if you are aware that people of differing political beliefs to your own are on here and you throw up comments like 'loony left' and similar regularly and with no factual arguments then its pretty offensive, and you can expect a negative retort from me. I am happy to learn.

OK. That's reasonable and I accept it on that basis. The general feeling at the time, though, seemed to be that the signing was going to put a lot right. Possibly just my interpretation.
Fair enough - I knew it wasn't going to fix anything by the mere fact of signing but at least we have joined the vast majority of the world indicating we want to do something other than sit on the fence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyoto_Protocol_participation_map_2005.png
I don't mind people being independent but that map/link shows how ludicrous our position was. The world is everyones, not Australia or Americas.

Actually I spoke soon after the "Sorry" to several aboriginal people who were asking: "and how is that going to make my life better?" Obviously just a small sample of the population but more than a few of them actually commented that "John Howard was more honest about how he felt." They seemed to regard Mr Rudd as insincere. These comments were without any prompting from me other than "How do you feel about Mr Rudd's apology?"

Now had it been followed up by some meaningful plan (such as Noel Pearson has subsequently formulated at Cape York), then I'd agree that it was very worthwhile indeed. But on its own, just a gesture. If that's all folks were looking for, then fine.
My experience was different to yours. I only spoke to my mate (who is aboriginal) but he was genuinely chuffed, as was his family, about the apology. This seemed to agree with the comments the media showed us from aboriginal people. I agree that the plan formulated by Noel Pearson appears to be great but I think that plans like that only work if you are a person, likely an aboriginal yourself, with a vested interest in that particular community. It is a tough situation built up over 200 years and I don't think anyone is going to provide a quick fix to intergenerational problems.

noco mentioned something about JWH being smart enough to not say sorry so as to avoid any responsibility or legal action - to me if you are avoiding an acknowledgement of the truth so as to get out of your responsibility it is not only very low morally but something you would expect from a child, not an adult, and not a leader of your country.

The pre-election promise was that this was fully costed and ready to roll.
Hence the disappointment and disillusionment.
Yeh, no argument there - although I (possibly cause I do vote left) put it in perspective of the Liberal gov't defunding education for 12 years in Australia.

Well, it's the same old story, isn't it. People feel that if governments are urging them to do something for the greater good, there should be some financial assistance to that end. I do agree with you here. We have become far too much a dependent and quibbling society.
Yeh and I agree with you that the policy was a poor one that has not produced the desired effect and was, if looked at, never going to. I guess they felt that they had to tighten the budget given the economic client and some things had to go - obviously this one was one they thought they could let go. Seriously though i reckon they would get better value for money spending money on this policy then supporting some new emission friendly car building scheme for Australia that is never likely to eventuate or beat other cheap car manufacturing countries that are already well into investing in the technology.


I don't disagree with the 'intelligent and hardworking'. However, 'effective' is probably a more important quality and this is what I'm questioning.
If egocentric is a little unkind, then perhaps I could moderate that to say that I feel he has an exaggerated sense of his importance in the global scheme of play.

Charm alone will never be enough. It's early days with Mr Turnbull so it would be premature to make a judgement. All I'd say for now is that his undoubted charm is backed up by a very successful business career.

And thanks for engaging in a reasonable discussion - much appreciated.

Yeh, while I too think it is early days, Turnball is an impressive character - certainly preferable as leader of the Liberal party to anyone else I can think of. That being said I can't believe he hung onto the 5c petrol excise policy.:confused:

Sorry you felt I couldnt engage in reasoned discussion...
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

He is quite embarassing and eccentric the way he acts in public.

Well this is the pollie who likes to snack on ear wax! :)

When I look at the ALP front bench the only ones who seem to inspire any
economic prowess is Bowen and Tanner...the rest are for the tip. Watching
the ALP during question time I get more interested in the shenanigans going
on above Gillard - those 2 MP's like to chat, flirt and sit pretty close together. I wonder if there's yet 'another' ALP fling happening in the house of reps.
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

I'm guessing that a lot of you blokes critical of Rudd
a) didn't agree with the "Sorry" statement
b) didn't agree with signing Kyoto (and all the opportunities that will flow from that) ..

Sorry chaps - but your opinions on those fronts are now irrelevant - history moves on.. You've gotta learn to be better at losing ...

We move on to other points where they (also) have a mandate...
c) toning back Workchoice.
etc

lol. here we go.

ok 2020,

a: what has saying sorry actually done for the country?
b: what has signing kyoto actually done for the country?
 
Re: Rudd. I'm happy with his progress.

The installers of solar panels don't seem to have a problem with the rebate threshold. They can't keep up with the demand from what I hear.

:eek: HUH?? I know a few installers, who at the time of the increase of the rebate lost all their upcoming work. I think the rebates were chewing through the funding to fast.

A DOWNTURN in the solar energy market is already clear just two months after the Rudd Government changed the rules over rebates, according to the Electrical Trades Union (ETU).

The claims that job opportunities were being "killed off" by the rebate changes were presented to a Federal Parliamentary committee hearing in Melbourne yesterday.

Ms Schoots said ETU members had reported a decline of close to 70% in the number of solar panel installation requests.

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/solar-rebate-rules-unplug-electricians-20080728-3mb0.html
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

lol. here we go.

ok 2020,

a: what has saying sorry actually done for the country?
b: what has signing kyoto actually done for the country?

Satisfied the majority of the people in the country who wanted it to happen and voted him in expecting him to.
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

While the boy from Brissie was on his fruitless mission overseas to save the world from financial meltdown, global warming and poverty, Julia Gillard showed by example what a poor performer Kev is in the House. She had a ball.

I doubt if he will shoot through again while the house is sitting.
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Last month the rooster (sorry Swan) clearly stated he would put pressure on the Banks to pass on any interest rate reduction by the RBA.

Today he does a back-flip and he states the banks do not have to pass on any intersest rate reductions. Does he know what he is doing? He seems to be in a muddle at the moment and Rudd should bring him into line.

One day they both state the Labor party inherited a poor economy from the HOWARD/COSTELLO government and the next day with USA economy in crisis, they say we have a strong economy which will see us through hard times. Somebody please tell me they are not taking the credit after such a short time in office or are they now talking up the economy to gain public confidence?

Beats the S*#T our of me!:banghead:
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Last month the rooster (sorry Swan) clearly stated he would put pressure on the Banks to pass on any interest rate reduction by the RBA.

Today he does a back-flip and he states the banks do not have to pass on any intersest rate reductions. Does he know what he is doing? He seems to be in a muddle at the moment and Rudd should bring him into line.

One day they both state the Labor party inherited a poor economy from the HOWARD/COSTELLO government and the next day with USA economy in crisis, they say we have a strong economy which will see us through hard times. Somebody please tell me they are not taking the credit after such a short time in office or are they now talking up the economy to gain public confidence?

Beats the S*#T our of me!:banghead:

I thought Mr Swan was - for the first time - being realistic and sensible in his comment today, as opposed to his previous populist rants about "insisting" that the banks pass on any interest rate cuts in full. He knows full well he can't insist on any such thing, but it sounded good to the punters.

It's not reasonable to expect the banks to pass on in full a rate cut if it's, say, 50 basis points, given their current increased costs in sourcing funds. Mr Swan's comment was simply recognising this and he deserves credit for being so realistic.

However, he gave the Opposition the perfect opportunity to take over the populist role. They rose to the occasion, with first Julie Bishop and later Malcolm Turnbull, accusing the government of running up with white flag with the banks. All so damn silly.

Probably would have been better all round had Mr Swan simply refrained from making any comment at all. No one asked him as far as I can tell.

And then this evening on the 7.30 Report, we have an interesting sequelae to the above exchanges.

Ali Moore is interviewing the Prime Minister in the wake of the bounce in the market today and the probability of some sort of revised resue plan being passed by Congress this week. Gave Mr Rudd the appropriate opportunity to sound important as he detailed his telephone exchanges with all the world leaders who were united in persuading those pesky recalcitrant congressmen to consider the international good rather than their individual election fortunes.
The implication was that if the Bill does pass, then we have Mr Rudd to thank, given the skill of his intervention from our far land.

Then he went on to offer a big heap of reassurance about the efficiency of APRA, and more importantly, the well capitalised and well regulated nature of our fine Australian banks. The best in the world, he assured us. (This is where we all smile and heave sighs of relief, as he gazes reassuringly at us from our TV screens.)

But then Ali Moore put to him the question of bank deposits not actually being guaranteed, something overseas banks are moving to do, given the precarious current situation.

"If they are so sound", said Ms Moore, "shouldn't the government be happy to guarantee deposits"? Excellent question. She repeated it several times.
But our fine Prime Minister, in true bureaucratic style, managed not to answer.
Clearly it's fine to talk up the banks, but he isn't going to back that up with any sort of government guarantee.

Gee whiz, Kev 07. The smiles are being wiped off our faces fairly quickly.
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

I reckon if you read between the lines Julia, and it may be my over active, paranoid and over thinking mind, that Swan is going easy on them for an assurance they will bail depositors out should the need arise...
 
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Julia, I never thought I would say this, but on Mr Swan's comment I would give him an A. Turnbull and Bishop both C and as for our Kev, another fail ( for not answering the question).
 
Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

"If they are so sound", said Ms Moore, "shouldn't the government be happy to guarantee deposits"? Excellent question. She repeated it several times.
But our fine Prime Minister, in true bureaucratic style, managed not to answer.
Clearly it's fine to talk up the banks, but he isn't going to back that up with any sort of government guarantee.

Good pick up Julia - Why doesn't the media run with this , are they so clueless that they just haven't picked it up ?
 
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