Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

luutzu · 27 October 2014

noco said:
There is no comparison and you are totally wrong.....there is difference between competitiveness and extortion.

If the manufacturers and suppliers don't want to have their goods Halal certified, then don't pay for it. I'm sure they can decide if paying it make business sense or not. Unless those Muslims hold a gun to the manufacturers' head or wear explosive belts while negotiating, it's just business.

If the farmers don't like what Coles and Woolies are doing to them, don't deal with them... that's pure capitalism... maybe not the smartest or a good long term way of doing business but profits got to be made, and made right now.
Back in my days, a movie ticket costs $5. Now it's $20! What a racket.

pixel · 27 October 2014

luutzu said:
If the manufacturers and suppliers don't want to have their goods Halal certified, then don't pay for it. I'm sure they can decide if paying it make business sense or not. Unless those Muslims hold a gun to the manufacturers' head or wear explosive belts while negotiating, it's just business.

If the farmers don't like what Coles and Woolies are doing to them, don't deal with them... that's pure capitalism... maybe not the smartest or a good long term way of doing business but profits got to be made, and made right now.
Back in my days, a movie ticket costs $5. Now it's $20! What a racket.

I have to agree with you there, luutzu.

Halal certification is nothing other than price gouging or stand-over, if one prefers that term.
The Americans use their commercial muscle to flog their iPads, DVDs, iTunes at exorbitant mark-ups in Australia and threaten to sue the pants of every kid that torrents the junk for free. "Western ethics" serves them well as a pretext. If some Indons use their religion as pretext for the same kind of blackmail, we can't blame it any more on religion; instead, I'd say they learned their commercial lessons well.

I would even go one step further and liken Islam's "permission" to pull a swiftie over infidels to Western marketing methods that don't even discriminate between customers. Read Joe's new topic on white-collar crims: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29114
They screw anybody indiscriminately, and the Law is an Ass and lets them get away with it.

Tisme · 27 October 2014

FxTrader said:
What a pathetic retort, as if the very act of questioning belief in religious myth is inherently an insult. The more extreme form of such reasoning leads to a justification for killing cartoonists for insulting the prophet or ordering a fatwa against the author of a book of fiction. This kind of false victimization is frequently deployed by the religious and their fearful apologists, don't question bad ideas or things like the existence of fictional deities because you may cause offense and thus motivate a violent response.

Damn those free socities with offensive ideas like free speech and the open expression of critical, rational thought, heretics! Beliefs and opinions that are poisonous to human society must be challenged and if that leads to some duped relegious drones taking offense then so be it.

That's just a rant with bit 'n bobs thrown in to tenuously support a vacuous argument ... don't you think?

I stand by my thesis that the Hawkins are merely propounding their own agenda and looking to please a crowd in the process. He wants followers to spread his gospel.

BTW I don't believe in organised religions or false prophets. I do leave the door open for some wonderful thing that has vast ability though.

Garpal Gumnut · 27 October 2014

pixel said:
I have to agree with you there, luutzu.

Halal certification is nothing other than price gouging or stand-over, if one prefers that term.
The Americans use their commercial muscle to flog their iPads, DVDs, iTunes at exorbitant mark-ups in Australia and threaten to sue the pants of every kid that torrents the junk for free. "Western ethics" serves them well as a pretext. If some Indons use their religion as pretext for the same kind of blackmail, we can't blame it any more on religion; instead, I'd say they learned their commercial lessons well.

I would even go one step further and liken Islam's "permission" to pull a swiftie over infidels to Western marketing methods that don't even discriminate between customers. Read Joe's new topic on white-collar crims: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29114
They screw anybody indiscriminately, and the Law is an Ass and lets them get away with it.

I would agree pixel, that halal is a rort.

I am mightily pissed off having to pay extra for meat, milk, smallgoods or munchies that are "halal certified".

It's a cost.

It reminds me of the Seventh Day Adventist lifting of all our ancestors in to a retrospective heavenly corpus.

Islam and SDA need to come clean on this rorting.

gg

Sean K · 27 October 2014

If anyone had really read the Old Testimant and the Koran, then you know it's about primitive politics. Since the New Testiment is based on the Old, then they are committed also. If you argue different, then you're not arguing for the fundamental beliefs of your religious cult. Where is God right now? Why is he allowing his subjects to kill each other in the name of what?

Garpal Gumnut · 27 October 2014

kennas said:
If anyone had really read the Old Testimant and the Koran, then you know it's about primitive politics. Since the New Testiment is based on the Old, then they are committed also. If you argue different, then you're not arguing for the fundamental beliefs of your religious cult. Where is God right now? Why is he allowing his subjects to kill each other in the name of what?

A good comment, kennas.

It is all about being primitive.

And in primitive cultures it is all a dichotomy. Good v Evil.

gg

noco · 28 October 2014

kennas said:
If anyone had really read the Old Testimant and the Koran, then you know it's about primitive politics. Since the New Testiment is based on the Old, then they are committed also. If you argue different, then you're not arguing for the fundamental beliefs of your religious cult. Where is God right now? Why is he allowing his subjects to kill each other in the name of what?

I think God is worried about over population of Planet Earth so he has assigned the Radical Islamists to eradicate the Christians and infidels.

FxTrader · 28 October 2014

Tisme said:
I stand by my thesis that the Hawkins are merely propounding their own agenda and looking to please a crowd in the process. He wants followers to spread his gospel.

Presumably you mean the scientist Richard Dawkins here who was not the person referenced in my post, that was Chris Hitchens. You're really struggling to make a coherent argument here.

If there is anything that could be labelled as vacuous it's your specious and ridiculous "thesis" that people like Hitches or Dawkins have anything like a gospel or doctrine in any way equivalent to religions or the religious. I am fairly certain that scientists like Dawkins and Harris would much rather discuss biology or neuroscience than religious fiction but do so out of frustration with creationist's attempts to undermine traditional science. Call that an agenda if you wish but its an entirely necessary one given how human society is being ripped apart and balkanized by competing claims in magic books.

luutzu · 28 October 2014

FxTrader said:
Presumably you mean the scientist Richard Dawkins here who was not the person referenced in my post, that was Chris Hitchens. You're really struggling to make a coherent argument here.

If there is anything that could be labelled as vacuous it's your specious and ridiculous "thesis" that people like Hitches or Dawkins have anything like a gospel or doctrine in any way equivalent to religions or the religious. I am fairly certain that scientists like Dawkins and Harris would much rather discuss biology or neuroscience than religious fiction but do so out of frustration with creationist's attempts to undermine traditional science. Call that an agenda if you wish but its an entirely necessary one given how human society is being ripped apart and balkanized by competing claims in magic books.

I saw a clip where Chomsky would agree with Tisme about Hitchens there. That Hitchens is NOT a secularist or an Atheist, that while Hitchens doesn't believe in the God/s that people pray to every week or so, he believe in the other God - the State - and whatever Hitchens' god does is right and noble.

pixel · 28 October 2014

noco said:
I think God is worried about over population of Planet Earth so he has assigned the Radical Islamists to eradicate the Christians and infidels.

... and the American Gun Lobby.
I suspect when you add it all up, the 2nd Amendment would give ISIL a run for their money :1zhelp:

Each year, more than 30,000 people die in the United States in firearm-related incidents.

When God created humans, She was only joking.

FxTrader · 28 October 2014

luutzu said:
I saw a clip where Chomsky would agree with Tisme about Hitchens there. That Hitchens is NOT a secularist or an Atheist, that while Hitchens doesn't believe in the God/s that people pray to every week or so, he believe in the other God - the State - and whatever Hitchens' god does is right and noble.

Hitchens was a self-described "antitheist" a term he preferred to atheist since he was a strident critic of religion and not just a non-believer. I think this quote from the Secular Coalition for America describes him quite well...

Although his (Hitches) political ideas and positions may have changed through his career, he steadfastly remained a believer in the Enlightenment values of secularism, humanism and reason. Later in his life, Hitchens focused on protecting our secular democracy against efforts -- both foreign and domestic -- to impose what he called "theocratic fascism."

Hitchens definitely had his flaws but state worship was not one of them.

Calliope · 28 October 2014

pixel said:
... and the American Gun Lobby.
I suspect when you add it all up, the 2nd Amendment would give ISIL a run for their money :1zhelp:

Numbers maybe, but not in the atrocities department. I suggest that what they are doing under the cloak of Islam is very evil indeed. These people are savages.

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/urgent-isis-beheaded-kurdish-female-fighter-rehana/

FxTrader · 28 October 2014

Calliope said:
Numbers maybe, but not in the atrocities department. I suggest that what they are doing under the cloak of Islam is very evil indeed. These people are savages.
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/urgent-isis-beheaded-kurdish-female-fighter-rehana/

If only Islam was just a cloak for ISILs activities masking non-religious based motives. Instead, Islam is at the very core of this savagery, the interpretation of which is used to justify crimes against humanity. Islam is the most virulent form of religious cancer. This post on Iraqinews provides insight into these religious lunatics world view...

jibreel August 5, 2014 at 3:52 am
Why would Almighty want to destroy a group of People, who wants to strictly implement the Commands of the Most Supreme, against a Nation who has become Perverted and has fallen into the Abyss of Immorality. What you are witnessing is the Wrath of Almighty, to destroy this Nation, like the Nations of the past, who transgressed his bounds.So fear Almighty, and ask for his forgiveness for your Sins. May be he might become merciful, and retrieve his Punishment.

Such is the reasoning of a brainwashed slave to the Islamic religion. Can there really be any compromise with someone who actually believes that their version of God not only justifies but has a hand in this carnage?

Tisme · 28 October 2014

FxTrader said:
Can there really be any compromise with someone who actually believes that their version of God not only justifies but has a hand in this carnage?

Unfortunately, I'm guessing, compromise is going to be answer and even more unfortunately there is going to be great suffering by those left to their own devices.

The notion that Muslims are 600 years behind Christianity seems more plausible, albeit indefensible.

Like you (perhaps) I find the whole thing abhorrent, unpalatable, angering and evil. I cannot comprehend why so many people are drawn into it (barbarism)

luutzu · 29 October 2014

It's understandable to see your people, your God, your way of life etc... as superior. Just there might be some bias and a little bit of bigotry in there, somewhere, I think. No?

farsvideo · 29 October 2014

Garpal Gumnut said:
I have been ruminating over Islam since 9/11.

I have a fair few Muslim mates, they are good people and devout.

I do not have much truck with religion.

The unpredictability of evil such as ISIS and the terrorist attacks in Canada makes me wonder.

Is Islam evil?

gg

i am a muslim. thats right.

luutzu · 29 October 2014

farsvideo said:
i am a muslim. thats right.

This is going to get interesting.

Tisme · 3 November 2014

luutzu said:
It's understandable to see your people, your God, your way of life etc... as superior. Just there might be some bias and a little bit of bigotry in there, somewhere, I think. No?

No I'm happy for people to have their own religion, but when they use it as a call to arms which in turn results in loss of freedoms or imperils the man in the street I am not agreeable....any religion

Of course by making sure any counter insurgency is seen as a religious confrontation, ISIS can skirt around the 60.008 verse deterrent which favours tolerance and equity.

The Green/Orange Irish thing was a bad stain on the civilised world for many generations and had many wallowing in the consequential mire of misery. As usual religion was used to advance a justice that was in many ways more unjust and barbaric than the one it sought to replace. Even so you go to the USA original colonies and there are American descendants of Eskimos who swear they are bog Irish...weird allegiances.

noco · 4 November 2014

I have been saying for many moons now the Muslim population are moderate in small numbers but when they increase their numbers is the time they start to use their muscle.

I believe there are a lot of sleeping logs amongst the Muslim community and they are starting to raise their heads as a consequence of the recent police raids......I also believe it has brought many out in the open, way ahead of their planned time.....Maybe the police have sucked them in to see who would be protesting and I am sure the police were not disappointed.

QandA last night gave some insight as what the Muslims are thinking and their demands will increase with the increase in their numbers.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1415094447647

Value Collector · 5 November 2014

Is Islam evil?

If we go by the definition of evil as being 1.profoundly immoral and wicked.

Then I think all religion is evil at its core, now I am not saying all members are evil, but the concept of the major religions themselves are evil, as to are their leaders.

Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

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