Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

pixel said:

The fault doesn't lie with Islam or Judaism or Catholicism. It lies with the leaders - secular and religious ones alike - who misuse ancient fairy tales to grab or hold on to Power.

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True, which is why when we find radical Imams, and the like we should expel them if we can and if we can't then keep them under close surveillance.

pixel said:

The fault doesn't lie with Islam or Judaism or Catholicism. It lies with the leaders - secular and religious ones alike - who misuse ancient fairy tales to grab or hold on to Power. It's playing on the notion "my tribe/ creed/ race/ class is superior to everybody else's" that links extreme Racists, Nationalists, Theists and makes them equally evil as each other. The Delusion of Superiority is the true Root of Evil, because it contains the seed of intolerance, condoning the exploitation, rape, and murder of anyone who is "different".

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The enormous difference Pixel is that islam was not an "after the fact" religion about a christ or buddha guy who may or not have existed, but a manual written by a power thirsty real and existing man, who after failing to attract followers with a kinder version, saw his salvation in a manual of war, a legal code and a way of life booklet.By raping and stealing from the infidel, and offering loot and wealth to his followers, he quickly gained followers and managed domination;
aka imagine Hitler deciding to become a religious leader, do you really believe that changing the cult leaders would make adolfism a sensible choice even in 600 years time? The title of this threat is sadly far too truthful, and I am yet to find a dedicated follower of this religion (note the bold underline etc) who is worth sharing this planet with.
By dedicated I mean who applies his religion rules and principles in his day to day life, who by definition wants me dead or enslaved/converted: dead for me as I am a non believer
Very different from loose followers who until recently were by far the majority of the muslim world, but who must now comply or... I let Lutzu explain again why the west is guilty.... and muslims are angels

qldfrog said:

The enormous difference Pixel is that islam was not an "after the fact" religion about a christ or buddha guy who may or not have existed, but a manual written by a power thirsty real and existing man, who after failing to attract followers with a kinder version, saw his salvation in a manual of war, a legal code and a way of life booklet.By raping and stealing from the infidel, and offering loot and wealth to his followers, he quickly gained followers and managed domination;
aka imagine Hitler deciding to become a religious leader, do you really believe that changing the cult leaders would make adolfism a sensible choice even in 600 years time? The title of this threat is sadly far too truthful, and I am yet to find a dedicated follower of this religion (note the bold underline etc) who is worth sharing this planet with.
By dedicated I mean who applies his religion rules and principles in his day to day life, who by definition wants me dead or enslaved/converted: dead for me as I am a non believer
Very different from loose followers who until recently were by far the majority of the muslim world, but who must now comply or... I let Lutzu explain again why the west is guilty.... and muslims are angels

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See Qldfrog, I never explain why Muslims are all angles. I don't say it because I know not all of them are.

You point to me a terrorist, a rapist, a murderer, a child abuser, a spousal basher... and I'll tell you how terrible and horrible they are, and how the law should be right to deal with them.

No excuses from me.

You know who make excuses for terrorism and murder?

The likes of Sam Harris; Bill Maher and pretty much all the idiot "journalists" in the main stream media and politicians.

What's Sam Harris, that secular "intellectual" and neuro-scientist... what did he say when the US drone a wedding, invade a few countries, sanction and starve millions...

"we mean well". We want to "liberate" them... so our murder are all good. It's bad, but it's good because we're obviously good.

That's the very definition of justifying murder and terrorism. You make up excuses, you call "your" enemey, the enemy of your paymaster, evil, vile... you make lists of all crimes committed by "their kind"... and you explain away all the shiet "your" side does.

People like me don't do that.

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As to Islam and Muslim imperialism... no kidding it's evil and barbaric.

Is Islam the only empire?

How did the French come to rule Indo-China, say. Or colonise most of North-West Africa? Or own Louisiana before selling it off to Jefferson so that Napoleon can get some cash for more wars all over Europe.

The French colonise and expand its empire through what mean? Saying please and thank you? Being real polite and won't hurt a fly, just French enlightenment and Victor Hugo or something?

That's not to justify Islamic imperialism. It's to point out that we cannot put warmongering and imperialism on Islam and Muslims alone.

That imperialism is evil and barbaric, we ought to stop it, not excuse it.

To go and say that an entire religion and people are evil... Name one imperial power that ever colonise any country because it's people are good and pious.

You're playing right into the hands that's itching to push a few buttons to destroy lives to take their oil.

Why is that so hard to believe.

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We talk of Islamic invasion by stealth. Them pretending to be refugees so that one day they can take over and ovethrow our value and system of gov't. How that's evil and we ought to fight back.

What are "we" doing all over the ME since WW2?

We have no military bases on their soil. You know, bases for our troops and all the hardware?

We don't currently drone and bomb their country at will? All of them?

Some Muslims may look at all that and think that their country is being invaded. Don't know why they think that, maybe it's just Islam.

SirRumpole said:

True, which is why when we find radical Imams, and the like we should expel them if we can and if we can't then keep them under close surveillance.

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What made you think that's not happening?

The latest CIA leaks reveal that we're all being watched and listened to. All of us, through all our smart gears. And that's us who have no reason to ever care for a Muslim, let alone an Imam or a Muslim who might become a radical Islamic terrorist.

Some good points raised about the barbaric Muslims.

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noco said:

Some good points raised about the barbaric Muslims.

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Why do you always quote racist idiots noco?

Bill Maher once said that those 9/11 terrorist are bad, but they're not cowards.

That got him fired from a cushy job.

He had since learnt that it's better to be rich and employed so all these racist nonsense. A leech deserve more respect than this clown who parades around like some sort of intellectual.

Four people are confirmed to have died in a car and knife attack on Westminster in central London, including a police officer who was protecting Parliament and the suspected assailant, who was shot dead by armed police.

The attacker, dressed in black and armed with two large knives, drove a car over Westminster Bridge, ramming into members of the public before crashing his car into the rails outside the Houses of Parliament.

Abu Izzadeen, who was born Trevor Brooks, has been named as the man who drove a car into the Houses of Parliament and attempted to attack police officers. His views were far from secret: videos of him can be seen across YouTube, in which he rants about how important it is to kill the police and how everyone in Parliament are kufar, or infidels.

HERE IS A HYPOTHETICAL FROM JEFFERY "NOCO" ROBINSON.

I became enthused with the Islamic movement as a young man and decided to join the Islamic brotherhood.......I was a sex maniac at the time and liked the idea of having more than one wife.

I married 4 women, had 17 kids and we were all well catered for with social welfare by the generous Australian tax payer......The kids went to an Islamic school and were heavily brain washed with the Koran which taught them to hate Christians and infidels.......The teachings being, if you are not a Muslim you have to be eliminated...... They then became racists......When the kids grew to teenagers they became radical and started to exploit there teachings, creating intimidation, fear and random attacks on non Muslims.....I then became dissolutioned with Islam and decided to excommunicate my self.....I did not know whether to hide or flee the country to save my head.

Because I left my 4 wives, they became adulterers and were stoned to death by their radical children.

The question is, should I seek forgiveness from the Islamic brotherhood, stay on the run or join One Nation?

you just forget the "this is the act of lone person with a mental health issue"

qldfrog said:

you just forget the "this is the act of lone person with a mental health issue"

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I believe he was a Muslim terrorist and 7 other Muslims have been arrested in connection with this fellow.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...n/news-story/3528c56770c1e8321e4941a3ef41e759

noco said:

I believe he was a Muslim terrorist and 7 other Muslims have been arrested in connection with this fellow.

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This was a tongue-in-cheek comment Noco.
I am more aware than anyone here of the islamist plague invasion .I lived among/with them in the 1990s in the housing estates of Paris suburbs as a pennyless and at the time open minded and leftist student.The reality quickly put me right and the absence of hope was a key factor in my migrating here: I wanted to offer a future to my kids.I am a refugee too :-(

THE London terrorist who murdered three people before he was shot dead by police has been named as a bodybuilding obsessed married dad-of-three.

Islamist convert former English teacher Khalid Masood, 52, who mowed down pedestrians on Westminster Bridge before storming Parliament and stabbing a police officer to death, was born in Kent but later moved to the West Midlands.

Scotland Yard said Masood had previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences. He had not been convicted of any terrorism offences.

Masood’s first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife.

The Metropolitan Police said there was “no prior intelligence about his intent to mount a terrorist attack”. The killer was known by a number of aliases including Khali Choudri, according to Sky News.

There was Donald Trump interview on Bloomberg during the election period - "Getting harder on Islamic terrorism" - taking the gloves off and making it a level playing field. He was/is right. The West is too soft, they know this and use it to their advantage.

Open borders, benefits thrown at them like it's Christmas, permanent residence/citizenship.

Rumours are swirling around that an estimated 3,000 men (hardline Islamists - Jihadists) left the U.K. in recent years to fight in Syria, and then waltzed back in. Alarming to say the least.

Sadly - the only way to smash this (my prediction), is to bring in the military and deport people. Imagine going to an Islamic country and holding a sign "Behead those who insult Jesus", they'd laugh at you and throw you in jail - in the West - that's perfectly ok....

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In fact there are lots of things you can do about islamic behaviour

1. Sing kumbaya (this is really excellent as you can get a whole crowd to sing).
   
   
2. Repeatedly state that Islam is the religion of peace (tell a lie often enough then even the people telling the lie will believe it).
   
   
3. Don't describe the perpetrators. (This helps people imagine that maybe it was the Buddhists, Mormons or even Christians who did it)
   
   
4. Describe the perpetrators as insane, lone wolfs, misguided youths, downtrodden, yadda, yadda, yadda. (But make sure you do not use the words islam or muslim).
   
   
5. Get western leaders (presidents, PM's and Mayors etc) to state that our society will not give in to terrorists (but we will certainly keep helping them to continue killing us).
   
   
6. Get Islamic leaders to speak against these acts (good luck with that).
   
   
7. Build more mosques. (This helps the police keep an eye on peaceful muslims).
   
   
8. Continually pretend that this is not hurting our society or our way of life. (its just the price we have to pay (as long as its not my son, daughter, mother, grandfather) for multiculturalism).

dutchie said:

In fact there are lots of things you can do about islamic behaviour

1. Sing kumbaya (this is really excellent as you can get a whole crowd to sing).
   
   
2. Repeatedly state that Islam is the religion of peace (tell a lie often enough then even the people telling the lie will believe it).
   
   
3. Don't describe the perpetrators. (This helps people imagine that maybe it was the Buddhists, Mormons or even Christians who did it)
   
   
4. Describe the perpetrators as insane, lone wolfs, misguided youths, downtrodden, yadda, yadda, yadda. (But make sure you do not use the words islam or muslim).
   
   
5. Get western leaders (presidents, PM's and Mayors etc) to state that our society will not give in to terrorists (but we will certainly keep helping them to continue killing us).
   
   
6. Get Islamic leaders to speak against these acts (good luck with that).
   
   
7. Build more mosques. (This helps the police keep an eye on peaceful muslims).
   
   
8. Continually pretend that this is not hurting our society or our way of life. (its just the price we have to pay (as long as its not my son, daughter, mother, grandfather) for multiculturalism).

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or use the grand daddy of logic one or two here use to win their philosophical arguments: some other villain of different persuasion did before it so it's OK

Chris Kenny expresses the views of the majority of people in Australia......Bringing in more Muslims is bringing in more trouble....Surely people are not that naive that they cannot see what is going to happen in Australia......Take some action now or regret the future.

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Tisme said:

or use the grand daddy of logic one or two here use to win their philosophical arguments: some other villain of different persuasion did before it so it's OK

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Maybe we should revisit our concept of "freedom of religion" to include only those religions that respect our laws.

It's amazing how loose the definition of "religion" is. People don't have to worship a "good" God, they can worship pagan gods like Zeus and still be called a religion with all the tax benefits thereof.

As said before, religious should be required to issue affirmations of loyalty to the laws of the country they reside in, otherwise no money or tax free status for them.