Islam, a philosophy in decline??

[noirua]

PS Maybe Christianity will have to "get with the times"

Yes, that is one of the big problems with Christianity as a religion. Many people believe in God but can't see that Christianity stands up as a religion, and see a better course to the next without it.

As to Islam, it is a religion in which many towns are 100% members. If you are not, then there is no future for you there. If you must be a member then it stands to reason to pretend you believe in everything it represents, no options.

 

[Bobby]

Well, Bobby, you've been absent for so long I doubted you'd be back.
What have you been doing?

Cheers
Julia

Greetings Julia ,

I'm now a hunter of meteorites , better then trading , especially of late.
Still have a sick looking portfolio that mothballed for now.

Hope your well ?

Regards Bob.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

As to Islam, it is a religion in which many towns are 100% members. If you are not, then there is no future for you there. If you must be a member then it stands to reason to pretend you believe in everything it represents, no options.

Under Islam there is no other religion, hence the intolerance.

 

[2020hindsight]

Under Islam there is no other religion, hence the intolerance.

You mean like "Thou shalt have no other Gods but me"?

 

[mayk]

Under Islam there is no other religion, hence the intolerance.

Reference? Then how come there are so many Christians still around in the middle east?

 

[Sean K]

You mean like "Thou shalt have no other Gods but me"?

Yes, that is ancient Hebrew when there were actually many gods floating around, thus the bizaar plural to the word god (as in an 's' onto god) when most people believe there was only ever one God. Actually, monotheism didn't really kick in until around the 5th C...

But, back to the discrimination and/or bigotry to the acceptance of other gods, this is a mystery I am trying to unsolve....

Why the fvckin hell can't there be more than one god??

Que bizaaro!!!

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Reference? Then how come there are so many Christians still around in the middle east?

Research the Coptic church in Egypt and see if they are happy people.

 

[mayk]

Research the Coptic church in Egypt and see if they are happy people.

I don't think it can be generalized to the core of Islam. It is the political power at question there. I don't like the political structure of Egypt. It is run by a dictator, what else do you expect?

 

[mayk]

Why the fvckin hell can't there be more than one god??

Because they will fight over issues... It goes back to the original question of Power. Lust for more power might cause them to fight. Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely. But if the danger of loss of the power is not present then power will not corrupt. Hence one God is a necessity for peace and harmony. By corally as we see peace and harmony in nature (not humans ), therefore there must be one God.

I need some sleep..

 

[Sean K]

Because they will fight over issues... It goes back to the original question of Power. Lust for more power might cause them to fight. Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely. But if the danger of loss of the power is not present then power will not corrupt. Hence one God is a necessity for peace and harmony. By corally as we see peace and harmony in nature (not humans ), therefore there must be one God.

I need some sleep..

Interesting...

There actually is some academic work done on the idea of monotheism which I'm studying right now.

Sleep?

It's 2.53 pm there isn't it??

 

[2020hindsight]

I keep thinking of that line by Mohandas Gandhi ... when near death during one of his fasting sessions, people being slaughtered all over India (prior to the separation with Pakistan) ... turns to one of his Hindu fans ... "and I'd like you to adopt a Moslem child" ... "no problem Gandhi" ...

... "and bring him up as a Moslem" he adds after a few seconds

As Ghandi said... "an eye for an eye will lead to a blind world"

 

[2020hindsight]

Here's an idea ...

Every adult Australian should be put on a compulsory refugee assistance program ...

where you teach these poor blighters (and particularly their kids) some English, - and how to assimilate

Then again - better not let the Islamaphobes go near them - they 'd only poison the well , and prevent any chance of a Christian welcome and a human level of understanding

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

I don't think it can be generalized to the core of Islam. It is the political power at question there. I don't like the political structure of Egypt. It is run by a dictator, what else do you expect?

Yes there is a dictator in Egypt. It is a state powerbase that runs the country but not the hearts of all of the citizens. You have my agreement there.

No, it is not the political power in question here. The best of Egypt was many thousands of years ago. Sadly extremism and fundamentalism are growing and have been for a long time. The days of benign Islam in the middle east are gone in some areas. It is starting to go in other areas: Iraq is now one of those areas where the two big sects face off and do untold things to each other.

Basically the Coptics are discriminated against and relegated to second class citizen status, based on their religion. Not their deeds.

The following link has some detail on the problems faced by tolerant people in an intolerant reality. If someone has a different take on it I would love to hear it.
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/07/coptic-christians-forced-to-convert-to.html

Another source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070602283.html

There is a lovely little village in the back of Siria somewhere where Muslims and Christians live together in peace and harmony because they have a common goal of preserving the Aramaic language which Jesus spoke. This is a model for modern society and particularly the immigration experiment.

Cheers..

 

[mayk]

Yes there is a dictator in Egypt. It is a state powerbase that runs the country but not the hearts of all of the citizens. You have my agreement there.

No, it is not the political power in question here. The best of Egypt was many thousands of years ago. Sadly extremism and fundamentalism are growing and have been for a long time. The days of benign Islam in the middle east are gone in some areas. It is starting to go in other areas: Iraq is now one of those areas where the two big sects face off and do untold things to each other.

Basically the Coptics are discriminated against and relegated to second class citizen status, based on their religion. Not their deeds.

The following link has some detail on the problems faced by tolerant people in an intolerant reality. If someone has a different take on it I would love to hear it.
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/07/coptic-christians-forced-to-convert-to.html

Another source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070602283.html

There is a lovely little village in the back of Siria somewhere where Muslims and Christians live together in peace and harmony because they have a common goal of preserving the Aramaic language which Jesus spoke. This is a model for modern society and particularly the immigration experiment.

Cheers..

You just proved my point. Regions, cultures and political system effect the people behaviour. Siria is your example of peace and harmony, while Egypt is vice versa.

You can find particular examples of extreme behaviour in many part of the world. One example is the following, in KSA if you do business in drugs you are killed publically. But the same Wahabi people grow and provide the drugs to many part of the world in Afghanistan. Now you can take one example and mould it to fit your argument. It is not that simple, political, cultural and economic aspects have to be taken into consideration while accessing the people of a certain area.

Religion is more dangerous when used to get political influence. It is quite effective. I hope you have seen the following BBC documentary:
Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...JJHqqAOB19zZBA&q=baby+it's+cold+outside&hl=en
Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...ITyqAOS8_HDBw&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares&hl=en
Part 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...pHqqAOB19zZBA&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares&hl=en

 

[2020hindsight]

One example is the following, in KSA if you do business in drugs you are killed publically. But the same Wahabi people grow and provide the drugs to many part of the world in Afghanistan.

... and the mafia and the western junkies look on innocently

The caption reads .. "The man from the Mafia... he say YESSS!!"

 

[numbercruncher]

Malaysia's top Islamic body fresh from banning tomboys has issued an edict prohibiting Muslims from practising yoga, saying they could be corrupted by elements of Hinduism in the exercise.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/5165446/malaysias-muslims-banned-yoga/

 

[bellenuit]

Great talk from Maryam Namazie at the World Atheist Conference in Dublin last weekend.

http://maryamnamazie.blogspot.com/2011/06/islamic-inquisition.html?spref=tw

 

[noco]

It is a pity there is no mail service between heaven and Earth, so those Islamic suicide bombers can mail back to their mates that the 20 virgins promised to them do not exist.

 

[Glen48]

Maye the Virgin Mary was in Heaven when a Muslim arrived after blowing himself up 2000 years ago and she came to Earth and gave birth to JC in a manger not realizing it was Xmas time and all the Motel's and hotel's were booked out.
Make about as much sense as religion.

 

[noco]

Maye the Virgin Mary was in Heaven when a Muslim arrived after blowing himself up 2000 years ago and she came to Earth and gave birth to JC in a manger not realizing it was Xmas time and all the Motel's and hotel's were booked out.
Make about as much sense as religion.

Yes, I agree.