Islam, a philosophy in decline??

[Happy]

Interesting you should mention that, I read in Voice of the Matyrs (Yes, a Christian magazine), that more Christians are put to death every year in Fundamentalist Muslim countries, than Muslims have died in the current Iraq war to date, yet Muslims claim that the Christian West is oppressing Islam?

That article someone posted about Islam using selective truths has a huge ring of truth to it.

That's about how I see it too. Any reports of Christians being opressed are reported as sort of unimportant isolated incidents.
But if you care to put numbers together they are staggering and sad.

Funny thing is that Democracy seems to be weapon used against us in our country.

Will anybody important who can make decisions see it before it is too late, don't know, but would be good for our sake.

 

[noco]

That's about how I see it too. Any reports of Christians being opressed are reported as sort of unimportant isolated incidents.
But if you care to put numbers together they are staggering and sad.

Funny thing is that Democracy seems to be weapon used against us in our country.

Will anybody important who can make decisions see it before it is too late, don't know, but would be good for our sake.

After viewing the attached link I doubt the Islamic movement is in decline.

As I have mentioned on previous posts, Muslims want a world Islamic state, hence the reason they are infiltrating into the Western world by way of refugees. The Western World will only have themselves to blame for allowing multiculture. It just does not work.

What is happeneing in the UK and Europe will reverberate in Australia. One Muslim cleric has already made a demand to Julia Gillard for Sharia law in Australia. They are using our democracy and freedom of speech to relay their message and are getting away with it.

I say,"be afraid, be very afraid".

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/andrewbolt/index.php/couriermail/comments/making_london_muslim/

 

[Boggo]

The Iranian Ambassador to the UN had just finished giving a speech and walked out into the lobby where he met the U.S. President. They shook hands, and as they walked the Iranian said, "You know, I have just one question about what I have seen in America .." The President said, "Well, anything I can do to help you, I will" The Iranian whispered "My son watches this show 'Star Trek' and in it there is Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, Uhura who is Black and Sulu who is Japanese, but no Muslims.
My son is very upset and doesn't understand why there aren't any Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians or Pakistanis on Star Trek."
The President laughed, leaned toward the Iranian ambassador, and whispered back, "That's because it takes place in the future".

 

[Sean K]

Any philosophy rooted in the past and not possible of change will die eventually.


Until we have all the answers and no longer require faith as a substitute for fact and truth.

 

[noco]

The Iranian Ambassador to the UN had just finished giving a speech and walked out into the lobby where he met the U.S. President. They shook hands, and as they walked the Iranian said, "You know, I have just one question about what I have seen in America .." The President said, "Well, anything I can do to help you, I will" The Iranian whispered "My son watches this show 'Star Trek' and in it there is Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, Uhura who is Black and Sulu who is Japanese, but no Muslims.
My son is very upset and doesn't understand why there aren't any Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians or Pakistanis on Star Trek."
The President laughed, leaned toward the Iranian ambassador, and whispered back, "That's because it takes place in the future".

I like that one Boggo.

 

[trainspotter]

Islam womens rights are atrocious. For example ...... a woman driving a car is a sinful thing in Saudi Arabia. One should not be surprised at all to find that under Islamic sharia law, women (both Muslim and non-Muslim) are a mere object and are inferior to men, and as a result, they can be treated as such by stripping them away from their basic rights.

From what I have seen lately in the media I do not believe the Islamic movement is in decline. Far from it.

 

[Happy]

Islam womens rights are atrocious. For example ......

Looks that it applies to female children too!

Flicked through the lates National Geografic and just caught my eye (June 2011, page 97. left bottom corner):

12 years old girl is not mature enough to apply for divorce.

From what I have seen lately in the media I do not believe the Islamic movement is in decline. Far from it.

This is exactly how I feel too, probably we are overly suspicious, right?

 

[noco]

Do the police have to tolerate this case of mistaken identity all becuase a muslim woman would not remove her burka. What if she had been a terrorist in disguise?

If she would not remove her burka for varification of ID as per the photo on her Dirvers license, then she should have been arrested. After all her photo would be on her drivers license by law.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...-behind-the-veil/story-fn7x8me2-1226078801032

 

[Gringotts Bank]

In some ways, Islamists deserve our sympathy. Their whole religion is about the promotion of fear. If you were born into that sort of society it would be very hard to free your mind from it. We're all hypnotized by our own thoughts, it's just easier to see in others, particularly when it's so extreme.

 

[river10]

In some ways, Islamists deserve our sympathy. Their whole religion is about the promotion of fear.
.

Really?!! didn't you read the whole thread? It is about promotion of fear from Muslims

I think it is just a tactic that is used by everyone who is opposing to a certain idea but doesn't have enough logic to have an open dialogue with people who believe in it. same in politics, economy,...etc.

I assure you that muslims would have a similar discussions and similar ideas about christians or other religions.

I wonder how much good did internet do in this area

Funny thing is that Democracy seems to be weapon used against us in our country.

I say,"be afraid, be very afraid".

From what I have seen lately in the media I do not believe the Islamic movement is in decline. Far from it.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

If fear is all they know, then of course that's what they promote. Fear is what they get taught - fear of a woman's sexuality, fear of god, fear of Americans, ... etc.

I can't stand them either, I find them offensive! I'm just saying that if you or I were born into a Muslim family in an Arab country, then we would have learned all the same stuff. We'd be burning American flags and be praying 1200 times a day. Human nature is the most ridiculous joke really - we're just products of our environment.

 

[bellenuit]

Surely a damning indictment.....

(extract)
Islam has a long and tangled history with science, but there's one point that nearly everyone acknowledges: Science in the Muslim world is now in a sorry state. "It's dismal," says Taner Edis, a Turkish-American physicist at Truman State University, in Missouri. "Right now, if all Muslim scientists working in basic science vanished from the face of the earth, the rest of the scientific community would barely notice."

Guessoum agrees: "It's abysmal by all kinds of measures: how many books and publications are written or translated in the Muslim world; how many patents come from Muslim inventors; how Muslim students are performing in the international arena."

Data collected by the World Bank and Unesco confirm this bleak assessment. A study of 20 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference found that these countries spent 0.34 percent of their gross domestic product on scientific research from 1996 to 2003, which was just one-seventh of the global average.

Those Muslim countries have fewer than 10 scientists, engineers, and technicians for every 1,000 people, compared with the world average of 40, and 140 for the developed world. And they contribute only about 1 percent of the world's published scientific papers. Another study of OIC nations found that scientists in 17 Arabic-speaking countries produced a total of 13,444 scientific publications in 2005, which was 2,000 fewer than what just Harvard University produced.

Does Islam Stand Against Science?

http://chronicle.com/article/Does-Islam-Stand-Against/127924/

 

[Glen48]

Muslims V Christians Turns out both religions started from the same base.

 

[Calliope]

A philosophy in decline?:shake: Not while they are breeding like rabbits in Western countries, where they are nurtured on welfare.

 

[Nattrax]

so this thread rather than being an actual discussion about the possible decline in the philosophy of Islam, is actually a thread for Islam bashing... well done people, living up to those values of tolerance and justice that you so conveniently point out do not exist in Islam...

You all sound like a bunch of hypocrites using Islam as your outlet... what there are no other religions or groups of people who 'breed like rabbits in western society' or are 'nurtured on welfare'

It is actually shocking to hear that there are people who so readily believe the tripe thrown out in the media. A Christian Magazine says that more Christians are killed in Muslim countries than Muslims in Christian countries... wow, do you do all your research from Christian magazines... I mean come on... what about Muslims killed in Muslim countries by Christians... does the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan ring a bell... I dont know what the statistics are, and the truth is I dont care, because death is not a numbers game, it is a problem regardless of who dies.

And just because one cleric wants an Islamic state in Australia and sharia law does not mean that the rest of Australian Islamic population want it to... but of course because one cleric said it apparently we all want it... great way to use the media again.

I am sorry for the rant, but if you want to make vague generalisations about a religion (which by the way has over 1 billion followers) then perhaps you should take some time to dig deeper than usual sensationalist rubbish that gets sprouted on 'today tonight' or 'a current affair'.

You dont have to like it, or even agree with it... understanding is enough for me.

To be fair Boggo... I did enjoy the joke and will definitely be telling that one to my mates...

 

[trainspotter]

Thought for the day..........

THE ARABS ARE NOT HAPPY

They are not happy in Gaza.
They are not happy in the West Bank.
They are not happy in Jerusalem.
They are not happy in Israel.
They are not happy in Egypt.
They are not happy in Libya.
They are not happy in Algeria.
They are not happy in Tunis.
They are not happy in Morocco.
They are not happy in Yemen.
They are not happy in Iraq.

They are not happy in Bahrain
They are not happy in Afghanistan.
They are not happy in Syria.
They are not happy in in Lebanon.
They are not happy in Sudan.
They are not happy in Jordan.

And where the Arabs are happy?

They are happy in England.
They are happy in France.
They are happy in Italy.
They are happy in Germany.
They are happy in Sweden.
They are happy in the Netherlands.
They are happy in Switzerland
They are happy in Norway.
They are happy in the U.S.
They are happy in Canada
They are happy in Australia
They are happy in any other country in the world which is not ruled by Muslims.

And whom do they blame?

Not Islam.
Not themselves.

But the very countries they are happy to live in!

I am a hypocrite and I don't care.

 

[DB008]

Do the police have to tolerate this case of mistaken identity all becuase a muslim woman would not remove her burka. What if she had been a terrorist in disguise?

If she would not remove her burka for varification of ID as per the photo on her Dirvers license, then she should have been arrested. After all her photo would be on her drivers license by law.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...-behind-the-veil/story-fn7x8me2-1226078801032

I like the response to the article and this one sums it up!

Bob Smith of Geelong Posted at 10:38 AM June 21, 2011
Lets go the way of France and ban the burka, we as Australians are tolerant, but we won't be told to change our way of living to suit a foreign religion.

If my wife and l visit a middle eastern country, l respect their laws and if she must don a "Hajib", she will out of respect of their culture/laws/religion. Do the same here please, or go home.

 

[bellenuit]

so this thread rather than being an actual discussion about the possible decline in the philosophy of Islam, is actually a thread for Islam bashing... well done people, living up to those values of tolerance and justice that you so conveniently point out do not exist in Islam...

You all sound like a bunch of hypocrites using Islam as your outlet... what there are no other religions or groups of people who 'breed like rabbits in western society' or are 'nurtured on welfare'

Since you seem to be painting everyone who has contributed to this thread with the same brush, I would point you to the following article which expresses more eloquently that I ever could the view that it should be possible to discuss unsavoury and worrying aspects of Islam without being labelled Islamaphobic or racist.

And far from being blind to the faults of other religions, you may find that some of us here are equally as critical of those religions on threads pertaining to those religions.

Islam and "Islamophobia" - a little manifesto

http://metamagician3000.blogspot.com/2011/06/islam-and-islamophobia-little-manifesto.html

 

[DB008]

But when you see this in Europe....you really must wonder?

 

[trainspotter]

ISLAMIC leaders want Muslims in Australia to get interest-free loans for religious reasons

Imam Parker said Islam forbade the charging or paying of interest "so finding interest-free loans will again help Muslims to practise their Islam better".

"Other than the two major issues mentioned, I don't see other sharia law that Muslims would seek to have legally recognised," he said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/giv...rs/story-e6frfkvr-1226092102637#ixzz0tMC56clF

I am converting to Islam to get me an interest free loan.