Indeed.Robroy, I think that, Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Human Genome Project, probabably feels sad for those that don't believe as well.
weird, My post was not in reply to yours - just that it took me 15 or 20 minutes to draft it, and hence it appears to be in reply to yours2020hindsight vs Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project. Interesting ....
Changing tack somewhat... This one might cheer you up. It concerns which version of the Hymn "Nearer, my God, to Thee" was sung whilst the Titanic went down. The 8 members of the band went down as heroes of course. Doesn't have much to do with whether there's a god or not, but certainly shows that when the chips are down, mankind's natural choice is to look uphttp://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cdk007
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two versions of the film, each with different version of that hymn.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic#_note-finale Some events during the Titanic disaster have had a legendary impact. One of the most famous stories of Titanic is of the band. On 15 April, Titanic's eight-member band, led by Wallace Hartley, had assembled in the first class lounge in an effort to keep passengers calm and upbeat. Later they would move on to the forward half of the boat deck. Band members had played during Sunday worship services the previous morning, and the band continued playing music even when it became apparent the ship was going to sink.
A memorial in Southampton to the Titanic's musiciansNone of the band members survived the sinking, and there has been much speculation about what their last song was. Some witnesses said the final song played was the hymn "Nearer, my God, to Thee". However, there are three versions of this song in existence and no one really knows which version, if any, was played.
I would ask, "Why look outside ourselves and invent some omnipotent omnipresent 'thingo' to find these answers." (assuming that that is his idea of god, there being many others)"What is the meaning of life?"
"Why am I here?"
"Why does mathematics work, anyway?"
"If the universe had a beginning, who created it?"
"Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?"
"Why do humans have a moral sense?"
"What happens after we die?"
The BBC interviewee likened faith more to self-hypnosis than to anything based in fact or science. ( he was just a kiwi, but he made sense - well for a kiwi anyway). You and others might disagree. But I find that plausible. I mean Einstein would apparently agree with the evolutionists for a start lol ( if you want to start quoting peoples qualifications).. reason alone cannot prove the existence of God. Faith is reason plus revelation, and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required.
I guess Einstein is saying "Why do we have a moral sense? because we chose to be moral - not because we want to go to Heaven etc. "http://www.humboldt1.com/~gralsto/einstein/quotes.html
"What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world." --Albert Einstein
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." --Albert Einstein
Gee some of these quotes make it obvious that we should be getting more tolerant of each other, and I personally think that religions are a real disaster in that respect."Gravity cannot be held responsible for people falling in love." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
"It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure."
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours - that's relativity."
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despiceable an ignoreable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
Imagination is more important than knowledge.
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
Albert Einstein, when asked to describe radio, replied:
"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible."
"The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one."
"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Through the release of atomic energy, our generation has brought into the world the most revolutionary force since prehistoric man's discovery of fire. This basic force of the universe cannot be fitted into the outmoded concept of narrow nationalisms.
For there is no secret and there is no defense; there is no possibility of control except through the aroused understanding and insistence of the peoples of the world. We scientists recognise our inescapable responsibility to carry to our fellow citizens an understanding of atomic energy and its implication for society. In this lies our only security and our only hope - we believe that an informed citizenry will act for life and not for death.
"If I had only known, I would have been a locksmith."
He must have been a Jedi MasterTo be fair even Einsten had a few romantic bones in his body...
Gee some of these quotes make it obvious that we should be getting more tolerant of each other, and I personally think that religions are a real disaster in that respect.
lol... (off topic) I bet those scientists applying for grants for research would like this quote :-
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"
He must have been a Jedi Master
Certainly an honourary Jedi anyway
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with .... sticks and stones.... and light beam swords?."
(may the force be with you, Wayne, in your fight against the farce(whatever you perceive that force to be - and that farce to be lol - we all have our own individual perception of ObiWan - and of Darth Vada lol)
PS Fee Fie Foe Fum, I smell the blood of a Canadian"
lol - you're dropping your left shoulder!! watch that left shoulder!!/\ I've just been sworn in as a Jedi Knight. Darth Vader beware
Robroy, I think that, Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Human Genome Project, probabably feels sad for those that don't believe as well.
Scientists' Belief in God Varies Starkly by Discipline
By Robert Roy Britt, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 11 August 2005 02:24 pm ET
About two-thirds of scientists believe in God, according to a new survey that uncovered stark differences based on the type of research they do.
The study, along with another one released in June, would appear to debunk the oft-held notion that science is incompatible with religion.
Those in the social sciences are more likely to believe in God and attend religious services than researchers in the natural sciences, the study found.
The opposite had been expected.
Nearly 38 percent of natural scientists -- people in disciplines like physics, chemistry and biology -- said they do not believe in God. Only 31 percent of the social scientists do not believe.
In the new study, Rice University sociologist Elaine Howard Ecklund surveyed 1,646 faculty members at elite research universities, asking 36 questions about belief and spiritual practices.
"Based on previous research, we thought that social scientists would be less likely to practice religion than natural scientists are, but our data showed just the opposite," Ecklund said.
Some stand-out stats: 41 percent of the biologists don't believe, while that figure is just 27 percent among political scientists.
In separate work at the University of Chicago, released in June, 76 percent of doctors said they believed in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife.
"Now we must examine the nature of these differences," Ecklund said today. "Many scientists see themselves as having a spirituality not attached to a particular religious tradition. Some scientists who don't believe in God see themselves as very spiritual people. They have a way outside of themselves that they use to understand the meaning of life."
Ecklund and colleagues are now conducting longer interviews with some of the participants to try and figure it all out.
/\ I've just been sworn in as a Jedi Knight. Darth Vader beware
.Tabor Mount, a mountain in N Israel, E of Nazareth. 1929 ft. (588 m). Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary :-
Now Jebel et-Tur, a cone-like prominent mountain, 11 miles west of the Sea of Galilee. It is about 1,843 feet high. The view from the summit of it is said to be singularly extensive and grand. This is alluded to in Ps. 89:12; Jer. 46:18. .... There is an old tradition, which, however, is unfounded, that it was the scene of the transfiguration of our Lord.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytNoiQ8LkS8 heaven on their mind 1973
Comment on youtube :- Pomtiedom, 56 year old dutchman "... I like the way the loneliness of this guy is accentuated by the vastness of the desert around him. Besides that, great performance by Carl Anderson"
I'm afraid that the argument that a scientist believes in God doesn't cut it as one worth addressing guys.
I went to the trouble (above) of laying out a careful, unemotive case for the probable non-existence of God.
You would just about have to be God yourself to say there was no God and you knew that for sure.
But the the reasons a God is highly unlikely IMO are:
1. The universe (Big Bang) did not require a supervening force to come into existence, or remain in existence. (Read Paul Davies' 'God & The New Physics' - he outlines it in some detail.) It was capable of doing it spontaneously.
2. The organic world (life - including us) did not require a God to come into existence either. The spontaneous exchange of sub-cellular information in the primeval soup led to cells...and the rest is history.
3. Religion is adaptive (it helped H. sapiens to survive), so we are hard-wired to be inclined to believe in a God. That gives rise to a huge panoply of emotions, deeply-held beliefs and convictions, and cherished ideals (to say nothing of religions, spiritual groups, et al) - all of them subjective experiences caused by our neural wiring, with no corresponding reality outside of that wiring.
4. The human brain has in the last 25 years been sufficiently mapped to give us an understanding of how 'spiritual experiences' arise. (This mainly applies to the more Eastern- and 'inner journey'-oriented God-believers.) E.g. your sense of timelessness arises when one part of the brain is temporarily lulled, your sense of 'the presence of a superior power' arises when another part is stimulated, etc etc. That's why religions chant, pray, meditate and sometimes dance rhythmically: these things lull/stir the central nervous system in the required ways. It's well-understood stuff now.
5. In the entirety of human history, there has not been a single piece of evidence for the existence of God. This period includes the 200-odd year history of science, and the 100+ year history of cameras, film and audio recording devices. Not a photo, not a single pulse of data - in all of known time.
If you believe in God you do so because your brain (the product of a million years of human and pre-human evolution) has provided you with a religious /spiritual impulse, not because there is anything divine out there, in there, or anywhere else.
I personally find this sad by the way - I understand the desire to have a God in the Universe. But me wanting doesn't make it so.
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