Is it the governments fault people are stuck in Beirut?

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Julia,
wasn`t that heartbreaking,
I just couldnt believe my eyes those poor children left behind,I mean how much room could two little bodies take.

 

[warney]

Julia,
wasn`t that heartbreaking,
I just couldnt believe my eyes those poor children left behind,I mean how much room could two little bodies take.

i didnt see it,would the kids be transported on the next boat out to the same ship? excuse my ignorance but i am interested

 

[visual]

i didnt see it,would the kids be transported on the next boat out to the same ship? excuse my ignorance but i am interested

They said ,they would try,but imagine the trauma especially for the younger boy he looked about 5 ,Julia thinks he was a little older but still,I cant even imagine what horror those two little boys wouldve felt at that moment.

 

[warney]

They said ,they would try,but imagine the trauma especially for the younger boy he looked about 5 ,Julia thinks he was a little older but still,I cant even imagine what horror those two little boys wouldve felt at that moment.

i know if i was the parent i would get back off the boat to be back with my kids,jump off and swim if i had to. i would not be separated unless they were going first,and even then it would be very hard. i feel for these people.

 

[visual]

Warney,I said exactly that to my husband,even though I dont know how to swim.

 

[warney]

Warney,I said exactly that to my husband,even though I dont know how to swim.

believe me you would instinctively react as it was happenning to avoid being separated. i wonder if it was women and children first? or every man for himself?

 

[Prospector]

But then on tonight's news there was the heartbreaking sight of a woman being boarded onto a small rescue boat but there was no room for her children who were pictured (aged about 8 and 11) on the dock while she screamed from the boat.

Julia

If the situation is as you have described, then yes, this was heartbreaking and should not have happened. But I got the impression that she was leaving behind adult 'children' - by her age, and while this is still very distressing, it does occur. In fact, if they were children as you feel they were, then the 'authorities' should never have taken their mother.

Last night we saw Condeleeza beaming for the cameras around the table of Israeli then Palestine leaders. OK, she has to be polite but her smile was much too big for the tragedy unfolding.

 

[visual]

Prospector, Definetely the cameras were beaming on two lonely title boys on the edge of the port ,but now I`m thinking that maybe it was a set up by the media,they were the only people around there seemed no one around,I dont know I`m really hoping that no one in their right mind would leave two kids by themselves ,one of the little boys was absolutely distressed

 

[Rafa]

i watched the footage twice... SBS and ABC...
The boys were left back with thier lebanese grand dad i beleive...


its still distressing, but certainly not as bad...

 

[Julia]

i watched the footage twice... SBS and ABC...
The boys were left back with thier lebanese grand dad i beleive...


its still distressing, but certainly not as bad...

Thanks for that, Rafa. At least that removes the vision I've been having of these two little kids being simply left alone on the dock which is how it looked on the footage I saw.

But at the same time, there will in fact be many orphaned children in Lebanon now. And then today the Israelis have killed several UN Observers who were at a clearly identified United Nations post. How are they going to explain that to their fans?

Julia

 

[Rafa]

(this is more a post suited for the WWIII....)
but to follow on your point Julia...

I think we all know that the real villians in the peace are Iran / Syria...

If Israel were serious about securing their long term future, those are the countries that need to be tackled... and I am sure, they would have had the backing of most of the world, including the rest of the Arab states, to do that...

Israels activities in lebanon, including the red cross convoy bombing, now the UN watchpost bombing... means they are not doing themselves any favours!

Same like Gorge Bush and the US.... the had all the support they could possibly want to rout out Al Quaeda.... But no, they go and attack IRAQ to install a democracy... All that has achieved is make Iran more powerfull...!

IDIOTS!!!

Maybe the US and Israel have a grand plan that will free the world of radicals.... maybe.... i certainly hope they do.... but at this point of time, i don't see it...

 

[twojacks28]

(this is more a post suited for the WWIII....)
but to follow on your point Julia...

I think we all know that the real villians in the peace are Iran / Syria...

If Israel were serious about securing their long term future, those are the countries that need to be tackled... and I am sure, they would have had the backing of most of the world, including the rest of the Arab states, to do that...

Israels activities in lebanon, including the red cross convoy bombing, now the UN watchpost bombing... means they are not doing themselves any favours!

Same like Gorge Bush and the US.... the had all the support they could possibly want to rout out Al Quaeda.... But no, they go and attack IRAQ to install a democracy... All that has achieved is make Iran more powerfull...!

IDIOTS!!!

Maybe the US and Israel have a grand plan that will free the world of radicals.... maybe.... i certainly hope they do.... but at this point of time, i don't see it...

would you like to explain how iran is more powerful now as a result of iraq?

 

[Rafa]

here's my take on it... (i may be wrong...)

Iran and Iraq, were the two superpowers of the middle east so to speak...

Iran - Iraq waged a war against each other... Historical reasons... maybe Oil was involved, don't really know.... Iran backed by Russia, Iraq by the US... for control over the region...

Iraq (a majority shia but ruled by sunni's), along with Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc have always been a pro US axis... (atleast at a govt level)

Iran, Syria (majority sunni, but rules by shias)... formed the Russia supported axis in the middle east...


Together the balance held... Shia vs Sunni... Iran couldn't do much with Iraq sitting there....

With Iraq now being made a democracy.... have voted in, naturally, a Shia govt... who are pro Iran... Iran now, for all intents and purposes, have eradicated its natural enemy number 1.... Iraq....

Next stop on the rank... Israel...

Once Israel goes, then the rest of the Arab sunni kingdoms will be swallowed up pretty quickly...


Hence, i beleive they are now stronger...

Iran have have encouraged Hezbulla and Hamas to attack... probing at their only remaining powerful enemy... Israel, in my opinion have taken the bait...

Israel damaging Hezbulla is doing nothing to damamge Iran... Not only that, by their indicrimate slaugter of Lebanon, they are turning world opinion against them...

Iran's present rulers, in my opinion, are sitting back laughing...

Iran needs to sorted out ASAP!

 

[visual]

We've all been discussing this in a completely objective and uninvolved way because we are not personally affected as far as I can see from reading this thread.

But then on tonight's news there was the heartbreaking sight of a woman being boarded onto a small rescue boat but there was no room for her children who were pictured (aged about 8 and 11) on the dock while she screamed from the boat. I don't know how this happened, but it appeared she would have boarded the boat expecting her children to follow, but then was told there was no room and the boat took off leaving the children behind.

So much personal tragedy, loss of life and horrific injuries while the political game players watch in comfort which is devoid of personal risk.

Julia

Julia,further to this story,
the boys are still waiting to be rescued,apparently the mother has got their passports so that means that they are turned away from the rescue boats because they dont have the right paperwork.
Today ABC reported that they were left behind with their father,the mother ended up in Denmark.Talk about a stuff up.

 

[Knobby22]

here's my take on it... (i may be wrong...)

Iran and Iraq, were the two superpowers of the middle east so to speak...

Iran - Iraq waged a war against each other... Historical reasons... maybe Oil was involved, don't really know.... Iran backed by Russia, Iraq by the US... for control over the region...

Iraq (a majority shia but ruled by sunni's), along with Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc have always been a pro US axis... (atleast at a govt level)

Iran, Syria (majority sunni, but rules by shias)... formed the Russia supported axis in the middle east...


Together the balance held... Shia vs Sunni... Iran couldn't do much with Iraq sitting there....

With Iraq now being made a democracy.... have voted in, naturally, a Shia govt... who are pro Iran... Iran now, for all intents and purposes, have eradicated its natural enemy number 1.... Iraq....

Next stop on the rank... Israel...

Once Israel goes, then the rest of the Arab sunni kingdoms will be swallowed up pretty quickly...


Hence, i beleive they are now stronger...

Iran have have encouraged Hezbulla and Hamas to attack... probing at their only remaining powerful enemy... Israel, in my opinion have taken the bait...

Israel damaging Hezbulla is doing nothing to damamge Iran... Not only that, by their indicrimate slaugter of Lebanon, they are turning world opinion against them...

Iran's present rulers, in my opinion, are sitting back laughing...

Iran needs to sorted out ASAP!

George's genius looks better in his plan to conquer Iraq. (not)

 

[Knobby22]

Julia,further to this story,
the boys are still waiting to be rescued,apparently the mother has got their passports so that means that they are turned away from the rescue boats because they dont have the right paperwork.
Today ABC reported that they were left behind with their father,the mother ended up in Denmark.Talk about a stuff up.

Thanks Mum!

 

[Judd]

Probably totally off topic but the other day was having a discussion with a friend of our family over a game of chess. My family is catholic and his faith is muslim.

Result of discussion was that:

Given that jews and arabs both stem from the same genitic stock it is sad that it is essentially a religious war.

Both the Koran and the Tora - as does the Bible - preach tolerance of other religions.

All these faiths have Abraham as their source.

The conflict has elements of the Protestant/Catholics schisms

It is about a scramble for power without the least concern for people

And, bloody Hell, as if the general Lebonese/Israeli family gives a toss about anything except the welfare of their family and children.

PS: My friend won the game with a discovered check. Bugger.

 

[Rafa]

It is about a scramble for power without the least concern for people

And, bloody Hell, as if the general Lebonese/Israeli family gives a toss about anything except the welfare of their family and children.

Spot on...
Got nothing to do with religion, every thing to do with human quest for power...
Its simply ancient tribes and sects fighting each other...


religion, families, children, ordinary people are all victims in war...

But they question is.... How do you stop these crazy warmongering zealots...???

 

[wayneL]

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But they question is.... How do you stop these crazy warmongering zealots...???

My opinion:

The average schlepper should become far more cynical of their own government. People are far to beholden to propaganda all dressed up as patriotism.

We know politicians are pathological liars, yet believe every word they say in times of war.

Ask the tough questions, keep the bastids honest!

 

[Bobby]

My opinion:

The average schlepper should become far more cynical of their own government. People are far to beholden to propaganda all dressed up as patriotism.

We know politicians are pathological liars, yet believe every word they say in times of war.

Ask the tough questions, keep the bastids honest!

Hello Wayne',

Schlepper , what a interesting choice of word, ( bait set ).

Question for you, What happens to those that ask The Tough Questions in lands that don't have democracy ?

Have fun
Bob.