Is it the governments fault people are stuck in Beirut?

[twojacks28]

one of th emain problems is that australia doesn't have enough buying power with the ports and boats. the boats are being rented out to the people with the biggest pockets!

Also mit what happens once australia has spoken out? they are not going to suddenly stop the bombings. it will do nothing if we ask them to stop

 

[Buster]

Question: What is this concept of "country" you are proposing we be loyal to?

e.g. What if I lived in a place called Trakehnen? At various times during the last 100 years, it has been part of Prussia, Germany and Poland. Which of these should I have been loyal to?

What exactly is a country and why should we be loyal to it? In what way should we be loyal? What if I don't agree with my "country's" actions? What if my "country" had treated me poorly?
Cheers

Dunno Wayne, I would have thought that you of all people (after all you have three citizenships apparently) would have the answer to your questions.. If not, what advantage do you receive from having differing nationality citizenships???

I'd assume if one of your countries treated you poorly, you probably wouldn't give a rat’s bum about your allegiance to that flag.. and if you don't agree with (one of) your countries actions, renounce your citizenship..

IMHO Dual citizenship is simply 'fence sitting'..

Now if these civilians have dual citizenship (and I would expect that to be a majority) then get the Lebanese government to look after them, surely they have just as much 'responsibility' as the Australian government..

I do, however, look forward to seeing all those 'Lebanese Australians' (specifically the Sydney Chapters) that are 'outraged' streaming into our diminishing Defence Force to do their bit. Unleash them on the streets in their 'other' country, from what I saw of the recent rioting through the streets of Sydney they should be able to do a half decent job.. If nothing else it gives them a sensational opportunity to display their loyalties to both countries.. Hmmm.. Yeah, didn't think so..

I doubt many of you realise what commitments the Australian military have on their plate at the minute, but we are stretched to the limit (I believe we are over committed) and I think we simply don’t have the resources to send anything.. So, I wouldn't be holding my breath for a military option.. And I for one wouldn't agree with my countries actions if it decides to send me (as part of the Defence Force) to pick up these boobs, but hey I swore an oath when I became an Australian and when I joined the Defence Force, so I will have to go..

Hey, didn't you swear an Oath??

The government does have obligations to it's citizens, but I don't know what people expect with the current situation, it seems that they are certainly trying to resolve the problem & I can tell you there will be lots of people behind closed doors working long long hours..

Cheers,

Buster.

 

[wayneL]

Hey, didn't you swear an Oath??

No, I am an Oz citizen by virtue of my parents becoming citizens. But I would have become a citizen anyway... what's this oath?

 

[cuttlefish]

If Canada gazumped us it's because their diplomats/government did a better job than ours did.

that'd be a first lol

 

[Buster]

No, I am an Oz citizen by virtue of my parents becoming citizens. But I would have become a citizen anyway... what's this oath?

Here's a copy of the one I took..

Oath of Allegiance. I, A. B., renouncing all other allegiance, swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Australia, Her heirs and successors according to law, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Australia and fulfil my duties as an Australian citizen.

Cheers,

Buster

 

[wayneL]

Here's a copy of the one I took..

Oath of Allegiance. I, A. B., renouncing all other allegiance, swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Australia, Her heirs and successors according to law, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Australia and fulfil my duties as an Australian citizen.

Cheers,

Buster

Right! So it is to the Queen and not country that we are loyal to?

Great, It's the same for each of the three countries I am a citizen of. So no potential conflict for me. That is actually quite comforting.

Cheers

 

[visual]

Hmmmmmmmm now the government is bringing them home at our expense,I`m wondering will they have to sign some kind of agreement to be responsable for their own escape ,when eventually this happens again and they will need to be evacuated,again

Talking about the dual citizens here.

 

[blinkybill]

No it's not the government's fault Aussies are stuck in Beirut but I do think that it is the governmnet's responsibility to get at least it's citizens out of there as quickly and as safely possible at the government's expense.

I have no problem with my taxes going towards helping to rescue other fellow citizens when they need it most.

 

[dreilly]

Lyndal Sachs Australias ambassador said almost exactly that,the government informs people of the danger of these places yet people go anyway and then they expect the government to rescue them,my interpretation..

the last time the DFAT issued a warning against travel to lebanon was the end of the civil war, 1990. Your argument is flawed, though i doubt this will get through.

i have family in lebanon at the moment. so i say to you people watching CNN on your big screen plasma's doling out your two bit advice to STFU.

 

[visual]

the last time the DFAT issued a warning against travel to lebanon was the end of the civil war, 1990. Your argument is flawed, though i doubt this will get through.

i have family in lebanon at the moment. so i say to you people watching CNN on your big screen plasma's doling out your two bit advice to STFU.

So the ambassador is lying so is the government,except for you,you are the one telling the truth.
hezbollah is regarded as a terorrist organisation,who is know to operate among the people, how better to hide,they have been creating propblems for a long time,suicide bombings are the norm,but the government doesnt issue warnings for people heading to the south of lebanon,ok.you must be right

 

[visual]

the last time the DFAT issued a warning against travel to lebanon was the end of the civil war, 1990. Your argument is flawed, though i doubt this will get through.

i have family in lebanon at the moment. so i say to you people watching CNN on your big screen plasma's doling out your two bit advice to STFU.

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Lebanon
Read that dreilly,
also take note of how women should behave in lebanon,and how we should behave so as not to cause offence,hmmm maybe lebanese who come here should take a leaf out of their own book when they come here or anywhere else,also note the the lebanese government doesn`t aknowledge dual citizenship,so to all who whinged get a grip and stop being ignorant,and be grateful .ok thats my rant for the night.

 

[wayneL]

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Lebanon
Read that dreilly,
also take note of how women should behave in lebanon,and how we should behave so as not to cause offence,hmmm maybe lebanese who come here should take a leaf out of their own book when they come here or anywhere else,also note the the lebanese government doesn`t aknowledge dual citizenship,so to all who whinged get a grip and stop being ignorant,and be grateful .ok thats my rant for the night.

Visual,

That advise was only issued subsequent to the commencement of hostilities. We need to find out if there was a travel warning prior to July 14.

 

[visual]

This advice has been reviewed and reissued. It contains new information in the Summary and on Safety and Security: Civil Unrest/Political Tension

Wayne please note this at the top of the warning,plus if you read all the way through you will see that the warning especially for women is a general one,also the advice for the dual nationalities is also what applies in general.
I agree it would have been good to find the one before this, however the impression I get is that the first bit has been updated but everything else is as it always has been.

 

[wayneL]

This advice has been reviewed and reissued. It contains new information in the Summary and on Safety and Security: Civil Unrest/Political Tension

Wayne please note this at the top of the warning,plus if you read all the way through you will see that the warning especially for women is a general one,also the advice for the dual nationalities is also what applies in general.
I agree it would have been good to find the one before this, however the impression I get is that the first bit has been updated but everything else is as it always has been.

The advise is dated 23 July. This one is an update from July 14 I believe.

What was before that?

 

[visual]

The advise is dated 23 July. This one is an update from July 14 I believe.

What was before that?

Wayne as I said it would be good to be able to find all the old ones but I havent been able to find them,plus in the heading it clearly said which bits were updated so to my mind all the other bits stayed the same.

 

[dreilly]

you cant find them because they dont exist. I know this as i have collegues who work for DFAT.

visual, get your facts right before you start on with one of your self righteous "rants" , that and pull your f....g head in.

 

[visual]

you cant find them because they dont exist. I know this as i have collegues who work for DFAT.

visual, get your facts right before you start on with one of your self righteous "rants" , that and pull your f....g head in.

dreilly,goodness you have collegues at dfat yet you are totally ignorant,and on top of that you are quick to get personal and act like a total moron.Lebanon does not recognise dual citizenship did you friends at fdat tell you that? instead of raving you should get a life and learn some english,maybe even the ability to read and make you own decisions so that when the proverbial hits the fan we dont have to pay to get you and you family out of it.

 

[visual]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/...s-rights/2006/07/23/1153593209660.html?page=2

A little off topic but still relevant I think.Lebanon is mentioned as well,

 

[Happy]

Visual,

That advise was only issued subsequent to the commencement of hostilities. We need to find out if there was a travel warning prior to July 14.

My post has nothing to do with official warnings, but one could know from general media alone, that Israel was unsafe due to suicide bombers, and that Israel attacked militants with rockets, and there were civilian casualties.

So really this is no brainer, and anybody visiting region should take this into account and not go there or at least not expect everybody else pay for their lack of concern of their own safety.

 

[Julia]

My post has nothing to do with official warnings, but one could know from general media alone, that Israel was unsafe due to suicide bombers, and that Israel attacked militants with rockets, and there were civilian casualties.

So really this is no brainer, and anybody visiting region should take this into account and not go there or at least not expect everybody else pay for their lack of concern of their own safety.

Agree entirely, Happy. I am just so tired of people refusing to take responsibility for their own actions and then expecting the government and us as taxpayers to get them out of their predictable mess.

Julia