Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[rederob]

as is the west is being screwed by its own grand principles while the planet is being slaughtered by the developing/emerging nations
That is the inconvenient truth

It's a perversion and desperate lie from a classic "blamer".
When I was posting on climate change around 15 years ago the average Australian was responsible for around 20 times the amount of CO2 as a person in India. Now it's a bit under 10 times the amount.
By your reckoning we are doing a really good thing if we can again prevent these nations from developing while we bask in our comparative luxury.
The world's 2 most populous nations are also making massive investments in renewable energy.

Stopping meat is an heresy

Only if you deny the science, which shows that livestock contributions to warming are possibly underestimated.

We can all make some lifestyle changes to reduce our GHG footprint, but don't shroud your ideas with ignorance of the facts.

 

[Ann]

It's a perversion and desperate lie from a classic "blamer".
When I was posting on climate change around 15 years ago the average Australian was responsible for around 20 times the amount of CO2 as a person in India. Now it's a bit under 10 times the amount.
By your reckoning we are doing a really good thing if we can again prevent these nations from developing while we bask in our comparative luxury.
The world's 2 most populous nations are also making massive investments in renewable energy.

I don't remember you talking about this back then on Incredible Charts forum Rob! I remember Spider getting his knickers into a twist about bird flu. I told him at the time it was all bullsh!t but he wanted to worry and fret and panic so, meh whatevr.
Anyhoo, I know this is a crap site full of propaganda. I know the best info about CC comes from the Guardian and BBC however it is relevant to what you and qldfrog were talking about.

It is all clearly just silly propaganda from the mid-middle but what can I say? No one mentioned Al Gore. Enjoy!

Climate Change Alarmists Routinely Ignore Chinese Flouting Of Paris Accords

 

[kahuna1]

Anne,

you mentioned you have adult dyslexia, AKA Dementia. I was wondering maybe, if your having a bad day ?

I read your posts, and do wonder.

I yet again ask the question ? Are you somehow more intelligent than 200 Nobel Prize winners and 24,000 PHD's ?

It seems so !!

 

[Knobby22]

kahuna.
You are betraying troll like tendencies.

 

[Joe Blow]

Unless I've missed something then I see no reason to be banning anyone?

As a matter of policy if someone asks for their account to be suspended I always do it because I want to respect their wishes. However they are then always welcome to ask for their account to be re-activated. Self-suspended members are always welcome to return at any time.

I guess it's like asking to be excluded from the casino.

 

[SirRumpole]

I for one would be sorry to see Darc Night go, but if he has better things to do...

 

[Value Collector]

To everyone else goodbye farewell and best of luck. To those who wish me ill, get nicked

Bye Todd.

 

[kahuna1]

Troll like ?

I am being polite. Whilst welcoming two way discussion, Anne has herself told us she had dementia and suffered chronic fatigue for 26 years, so I AM NOT trolling. Nor being rude.

When presented with facts, and presenting non facts, as Anne does, with also dyslexia its a deliberate full time trolling she engages in. It is unclear if she actually believes the stuff she posts, or is merely just ill.
I might add, going to numerous threads, on numerous topics, she is posting the same.

When its done over 5 threads at once its worse. IT certainly gets responses, and people to engage, but frustrates the hell out of the rest.

It is NOT trolling , sorry but if I was trolling, I would call her a moron and use other abusive comments. She is to be pitied, she is ill and I cant remove her rubbish . Reading this thread, with her contributions such as they are, makes little sense. She is I believe in her last post talking about bird flu whilst claiming she told someone it was all a hoax, whilst trying to equate bird flu, with climate change ? Because she supposedly told someone abut it 10 years ago.

On climate change, if we look at this persons posts, as the typical denier. If you read the posts, they are designed, each time to cast doubt over the issue. A deliberate and somewhat idiotic attempt to frustrate them. Doesn't matter when presented with the peer reviewed best source of facts, NO its not about any of that.

There are three types in each discussion and one is left side, one is the middle and the other is right side. On the left, more open to ACTION and the middle is open to most extents on the topic. The RIGHT is in denial their is any issue. Of course there are even extremes to this.

We all can have opinions, and since 25% of people believe NASA did not go to the moon and 100,000 NASA employees for 50 years have kept a secret, and shooting a laser at the moon at the mirrors they left there and IT REFLECTS back is merely a co-incidence, ....

If someone tries presenting the flat earth theory ... or NASA non moon landing theory time and time again, I did take the time to read some of this persons thread and posts, and well .... 26 years chronic fatigue and dementia aka dyslexia in an adult ...

IT is what it is ... I find the ability of not being able to read or comprehend displayed in living color in 10 different threads ...... well ... I am not her family, nor her friend ... and I do have boundaries and I have NOT called her a stupid person who cant be bothered even listening. She is ILL ....

 

[kahuna1]

As Bernie ... says ...

Take your absurd ideas and put them back where they came from !!

Hilarious what Trump and his devoted delusional followers believe. We have them here .... the Barnaby party ... wants coal fired power stations and its part of the Liberal. National party. Howard expresses views identical to Trump .... and they are serious !!



Newsflash: Mr. Trump, Wind Mills Do Not Cause Cancer

Listening to idiots however does cause .... serious side effects ...I think I listed them already.

 

[Ann]

I yet again ask the question ? Are you somehow more intelligent than 200 Nobel Prize winners and 24,000 PHD's ?

Link me to the list of names of all these academics and their specialties who are so well qualified to comment on CC please? Also would you show where they have given their support for the climate change theory.

If someone tries presenting the flat earth theory ... or NASA non moon landing theory time and time again, I did take the time to read some of this persons thread and posts, and well .... 26 years chronic fatigue and dementia aka dyslexia in an adult ...

Please link to any comments I have made even in passing about these two subjects you mention above. Although I think you may have mentioned it on a thread with faked pictures, not interested in hunting for it at the moment.

Linking Dyslexia and Dementia simply shows your lack of knowledge. Dementia is a disease now being looked at as a type of diabetes. I do not have nor have I ever had Diabetes. Dyslexia is not a disease, it is a condition people are born with.

 

[Ann]

If someone tries presenting the flat earth theory ... or NASA non moon landing theory time and time again, I did take the time to read some of this persons thread and posts, and well .... 26 years chronic fatigue and dementia aka dyslexia in an adult ...

Please link to any comments I have made even in passing about these two subjects you mention above. Although I think you may have mentioned it on a thread with faked pictures, not interested in hunting for it at the moment.

Here is the link to your mention of one of these subjects.

 

[MARKETWINNER]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/02/canada-climate-change-warming-twice-as-fast-report
Canada warming at twice the global rate, climate report finds

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/how-climate-change-affecting-australia
HOW IS CLIMATE CHANGE AFFECTING AUSTRALIA?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/30/asia/china-coal-emissions-climate-change-intl/index.html
China's greenhouse gas emissions rising, undermining Xi's climate push

https://development.asia/insight/how-east-asia-can-reduce-climate-change-impact
How East Asia Can Reduce Climate Change Impact

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45949323
Why India needs to worry about climate change

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/the-arab-worlds-best-weapon-against-climate-change-its-youth/
The Arab world’s best weapon against climate change? Its young people

https://ecdc.europa.eu/en/climate-change/climate-change-europe
Climate change in Europe

 

[kahuna1]

A more succinct .... look at the denial side of the equation.

Less than one in a million is the chance humans do not and are not changing the climate.

Its all about money .... and GASLIGHTING .... a distraction is sadly a reality.

Trump, The Koch Brothers and Their War on Climate Science

 

[rederob]

I don't remember you talking about this back then on Incredible Charts forum Rob!

Maybe because back then, like now, I post in other forums as well.

Enjoy!
Climate Change Alarmists Routinely Ignore Chinese Flouting Of Paris Accords

Just another link to a stupid article that ignores the reality of per capita contributions being greatest in the developed world.
The level of ignorance of the author to was displayed many times. In terms of data, rather than show changes in CO2 contributions since the Paris accord, it showed the change since 1990 - that's unforgivable.
But what was never mentioned was the fact that both India and China are still in the process of industrialising, so they are far from mature economies.
India's population is 4 times greater than the USA but emits half as much CO2. Meanwhile China's per capita CO2 emissions are still not at US levels, but China is adding significantly more renewable energy in gross terms than the USA.

 

[basilio]

Maybe because back then, like now, I post in other forums as well.
Just another link to a stupid article that ignores the reality of per capita contributions being greatest in the developed world.
The level of ignorance of the author to was displayed many times. In terms of data, rather than show changes in CO2 contributions since the Paris accord, it showed the change since 1990 - that's unforgivable.
But what was never mentioned was the fact that both India and China are still in the process of industrialising, so they are far from mature economies.
India's population is 4 times greater than the USA but emits half as much CO2. Meanwhile China's per capita CO2 emissions are still not at US levels, but China is adding significantly more renewable energy in gross terms than the USA.

It's also worth checking the background of the "Free Market Shooters" writers.
Yep they are "Blood on the Sand " supporters of ""responsible gunrights" for anyone with a pulse in the US.
Yep they support free market economics to the hilt.
They don't believe the Mainstream media.
In my view another NRA/Koch brothers sock puppet.

If you havn't seen the undercover videos which allow the NRA an the Koch brothers to talk free about their agendas and how they go about spreading them - have a look.
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/how-to-sell-a-massacre

 

[HelloU]

The climate is changing - fact - there has never been a world without climate change.

Easy for me to see climate change as a problem in the sense that problems are matters that involve doubt and uncertainty. When I view climate change, using the definition of a problem as an issue that requires a solution, i stumble a little.

Serious question, is the world a better place or a worse place, in 2019, for no longer having the Woolly Mammoth? or is it just a different place?

....... and in the same context, would the world be a better place, or a worse place, in 5,000 years if humans no longer existed? or would it just be a different place?

 

[rederob]

The climate is changing - fact - there has never been a world without climate change.

Science does not care if there is a change in long term climate.
It cares if the scientific sense of climate change is met, and this means something statistically significant at a generational level.

Easy for me to see climate change as a problem in the sense that problems are matters that involve doubt and uncertainty.

All science has "uncertainty." In this case the certainty that this is beyond doubt is 99%. Maybe you can recalculate your idea of when something is a problem?

When I view climate change, using the definition of a problem as an issue that requires a solution, i stumble a little.

Perhaps you should consider using science to guide you.

Serious question, is the world a better place or a worse place, in 2019, for no longer having the Woolly Mammoth? or is it just a different place?

If that is your idea of a serious question, then you should post in a forum on comedy.

....... and in the same context, would the world be a better place, or a worse place, in 5,000 years if humans no longer existed? or would it just be a different place?

A person thinking rationally would ask if they helped leave the planet a better place for the next generation, and that this iteration ran continuously.
But the last answer is a definitive yes - each moment makes a difference, so try to make it a positive one.

 

[Ann]

In terms of data, rather than show changes in CO2 contributions since the Paris accord, it showed the change since 1990 - that's unforgivable.

In terms of data, I would always prefer more data to less data with anything I look at.

But what was never mentioned was the fact that both India and China are still in the process of industrialising, so they are far from mature economies.

Which says to me there is a lot worse to come from those countries. They won't be touchy feely about the environment, they will just want energy in massive quantities to feed their industries. Solar and wind won't cut it for them.

 

[Knobby22]

Which says to me there is a lot worse to come from those countries. They won't be touchy feely about the environment, they will just want energy in massive quantities to feed their industries. Solar and wind won't cut it for them.

I take heart in the continual improvements in renewable energy. When a state like Texas is taking it up with gusto you know everyone will eventually, even backward countries like Australia.

 

[rederob]

Which says to me there is a lot worse to come from those countries. They won't be touchy feely about the environment, they will just want energy in massive quantities to feed their industries. Solar and wind won't cut it for them.

On the contrary. China is the global leader in most forms of renewables in terms of investment dollars and capacity build. India is making massive investments in renewables, considering their lack of wealth.
China still has still has tens of millions while India has hundreds of millions of rural folk living in third world conditions. I think it reasonable that these nation aspire to give them a semblance of western world lifestyle benefits.