True but it’s the “banking up” not the flow which is the issue of concern (noting that CO2 exhaled by humans was extracted from the atmosphere before being exhaled).In effect it is simply a doubling of the volume of discernible CO2 traffic, in correspondence to the doubled populace, but not a banking up of CO2 traffic.
But what makes you, or any scientist for that matter, so certain that there has been a "banking up"?True but it’s the “banking up” not the flow which is the issue of concern (noting that CO2 exhaled by humans was extracted from the atmosphere before being exhaled).
It’s the net addition of CO2 which is causing concern.
But what makes you, or any scientist for that matter, so certain that there has been a "banking up"?
You may not be employed as a scientist, but if not the training, you certainly have the requisite aptitude.I’m not a scientist but the answer is measurement at places not exposed to localised influences (eg Cape Grim baseline air pollution monitoring station in Tas is an Australian facility doing such measurements and there are many others internationally).
The measurements clearly show that CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is increasing.
The problem is, it is also global cooling!Some parts of Siberia and Canada just cant wait for global warming to speed up more. If the average temperatures in Australia was minus 2 degrees with lows around minus 40 degrees you may end up praying for it.
So I am again left with, more or less, the same unanswered questions!
Such as, why it is that it is somehow always assumed that the cause of these increases is solely artificial, as opposed to biological (or perhaps even geological)?
I am becoming increasingly convinced that the reasoning has more to do with tacit political agendas than any findings of actual scientific research.
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We have to stop using coal and oil and the by products such as plastic and we have to stop population growth. This means the end of industrialisation as we've known, no more cars or other mechanical movement and a return to village clusters where we survive by growing and living on vegetable matter only and regrowing our forests to try and repair the planet. In a lot of places even in Australia this is consciously starting to occur.
However, honestly, what I hope for is not possible and we are going to go down the gurgler. But to try and maintain its normal for the climate change happening now is incorrect.
All potentially valid correlations should ideally be considered during investigation of causation, and not just the one's that happen to conveniently serve the political agendas of those seeking to depose capitalism!!The increase from the pre-indusrtial era circa 280ppm to now 400+ppm have been reseached intensively, not least by Exxon i.e Burn billions of tonnes of geologically sequested and then extracted hyro carbons and solid carbon whislt compromising the very systems that sequest carbon from the atmosphere. The causes of the increase are known. To ignore this research, and the obvious, is your choice.
The political agendas are well known to. Suggested reading; Naomi Oreskis ' Merchants Of Doubt'. For my benifit you could find negative critque of Oreskis book. I've found very little....
Are we talking about the same post?!!!Re-read my post cynic, I made no definite claims, merely stated what is observably taking place. Clogged cities, its a fact, peak hour everyday here in Melbourne now except Sunday mornings
With attitudes and stubbornness to accept reality it should be pretty clear as to why I despair.
"I would bet my house on it, that there's a climate change signal in this most recent heatwave," University of New South Wales climate scientist Sarah Perkins–Kirkpatrick said.
That quote is within an article commenting on the amazing record breaking temperatures the southern states of Australia have been getting this autumn. April is meant to average 20 degrees in Melbourne and we have been mostly in the 30s.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-17/april-heatwave-why-autumn-has-felt-more-like-summer/9664122
He is discounting technological advances.Perhaps some reality testing should be done on CC? Dr Mayer Hillman has some clear ideas about our future. The fact he is saying nothing different to the "do nothing" models on action re CC.
Every, single analysis of what will happen to the earth if we don't drastically reduce CO2 emissions comes to one apocalyptic conclusion - we and the earth as we know it are gone. But Mayers comments just pull it all together.
'We're doomed': Mayer Hillman on the climate reality no one else will dare mention
By Patrick Barkham
The 86-year-old social scientist says accepting the impending end of most life on Earth might be the very thing needed to help us prolong it
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Dr Mayer Hillman with his bike outside his home in London. Photograph: John Alex Maguire / Rex Features
“We’re doomed,” says Mayer Hillman with such a beaming smile that it takes a moment for the words to sink in. “The outcome is death, and it’s the end of most life on the planet because we’re so dependent on the burning of fossil fuels. There are no means of reversing the process which is melting the polar ice caps. And very few appear to be prepared to say so.”
Hillman, an 86-year-old social scientist and senior fellow emeritus of the Policy Studies Institute, does say so. His bleak forecast of the consequence of runaway climate change, he says without fanfare, is his “last will and testament”. His last intervention in public life. “I’m not going to write anymore because there’s nothing more that can be said,” he says when I first hear him speak to a stunned audience at the University of East Anglia late last year.
From Malthus to the Millennium Bug, apocalyptic thinking has a poor track record. But when it issues from Hillman, it may be worth paying attention. Over nearly 60 years, his research has used factual data to challenge policymakers’ conventional wisdom. In 1972, he criticised out-of-town shopping centres more than 20 years before the government changed planning rules to stop their spread. In 1980, he recommended halting the closure of branch line railways – only now are some closed lines reopening. In 1984, he proposed energy ratings for houses – finally adopted as government policy in 2007. And, more than 40 years ago, he presciently challenged society’s pursuit of economic growth.
....But he insists that I must not present his thinking on climate change as “an opinion”. The data is clear; the climate is warming exponentially. The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts that the world on its current course will warm by 3C by 2100. Recent revised climate modelling suggested a best estimate of 2.8C but scientists struggle to predict the full impact of the feedbacks from future events such as methane being released by the melting of the permafrost.
Hillman is amazed that our thinking rarely stretches beyond 2100. “This is what I find so extraordinary when scientists warn that the temperature could rise to 5C or 8C. What, and stop there? What legacies are we leaving for future generations? In the early 21st century, we did as good as nothing in response to climate change. Our children and grandchildren are going to be extraordinarily critical.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...climate-reality-no-one-else-will-dare-mention
https://mayerhillman.com/
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