Knobby22
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@basilio would it work if Russia shuts off the gas to Europe right now and freeze millions to death in the coming winter and we stop all gas and coal exports, that would send a lot of third World and Asian countries into power crisis, which would probably increase the morbidity rate in those countries.
Does that sound like a plan to you, because it would work, the population would reduce and there would be a massive and decisive reduction in pollution.
You probably think that is radical, but everything you post up requires radical action and even then they state it wont help.
So posting every depressing article of the imminent climate doom, doesn't achieve much, other than depress people further.
Maybe you could intersperse some uplifting articles, to lighten the mood somewhat and try to persuade people that all is not lost. ?
It ain't going to happen any time soon, with the war in Russia causing a re commissioning of coal generation in europe and with China already committing to 100 new coal fired power stations, nothing is going to happen in the short term.That's a really thought provoking observation SP. Your quite right about the brutality and consequences of such a course of action. And it would "work", as you point out, at a horrendous cost.
So where do we go from here ? If you read the whole article there is an attempt to throw in some "good" news. The "good" news, essentially, is that perhaps (?) this sort of direct frankness about what is unfolding might (?) start a massive effort to reduce CO2 emissionsand start up other programs that might (?) turn an unmitigated catastrophe into a very serious but survivable problem. There is your hope - as slim as it is.
I don't like these disaster scenarios one little bit. They drove me around the bend and over a cliff years ago and for sheer self preservation I decided to not focus too much on the very real real science and look for ways and means to make worthwhile contributions to tackling the issue. Realistically it has been the equivalent of emptying an ocean with a glass tumbler.
I have posted many "good news" stories on ASF. I'm keenly aware of the effects of climate despair and have tried to present technologies, practices and policies that could turn the tide so to speak. They do exist. However Bill McGuire is just pointing out that we are now so far down the road of global warming it is impossible to avoid quite devastating outcomes. Only a monumental effort might contain the consequences to a level that allows human civilization to continue in it's current form. Unfortunately he only saying out loud what every climate scientist understands is happening.
I don't believe this makes sense in so many ways.There is a huge amount of available space over existing highways, that would reduce the requirement to deploy solar panels over native habitat, or arable land IMO.
I would rather see taxpayers money spent on covering highways with solar panels and tapping off charging stations, than subsidising power generators to denude land to put in solar farms.
How the Govt can say we are losing flora and fauna at an increasing rate and not thinking about the ramifications of mass solar farms is beyond me.
Photovoltaic roof for highways
Researchers from Germany and Austria are testing how photovoltaic roofs may be deployed along highways. The first pilot project is planned to be implemented starting from the autumn.www.pv-magazine.com
So you put in sheep or goats. Enough shade to keep them happy and they keep down the weeds.Australian native animals losing their habitat at a world leading pace.
‘Crumbling rapidly’: Australia’s environment scorecard’s out – and it’s dire
Australia has lost more mammals than any other continent and the latest report card says things will get worse faster without urgent intervention.www.smh.com.au
Ecologists say clearing of land is the leading cause in the loss of native species.
But who cares, eh Bas.
As for growing crops under solar panels, I'm sceptical. Maybe some niche produce, but I cant see it being a useful addition to farming, other than in areas of extremely high temps, where nothing grows currently.
But It will be great if it does prove to be a bonus, time will tell, I've seen some very large solar installations in Japan, the only thing growing under them were weeds and problem saplings.
I'm more concerned about the massive solar farms that are going to go in the North, to supply power and hydrogen to overseas buyers, for very little benefit for Australia as it will be like the gas we export, the net benefit to us in miniscule when you compare it to what the middle East earns. Yet the cost to us ecologically could be huge.So you put in sheep or goats. Enough shade to keep them happy and they keep down the weeds.
And the loss of environment ? Absolutely a problem but the driving reason is commercial farming
The Pacific islands should be fully renewables IMO, there wont be a large load.Wow this makes sense
Vanuatu, one of the most climate-vulnerable countries, launches ambitious climate plan
The Pacific country has committed to 100% renewable energy in electricity generation by 2030www.theguardian.com
and to pay for it
Vanuatu GDP - Gross Domestic Product 2023
Gross Domestic Product of Vanuatu grew 2.2% in 2023 compared to last year. This rate is 3 -tenths of one percent higher than the figure of 1.9% published in 2022.countryeconomy.com
Hmmm seems the bean counters thought that one through
I must admit to not being any sort of expert on carbon credits but not sure how it could stack up.
Not sure if there is a Carbon Credit thread but I would be interested to learn.
bux
Bad luck kids. We dropped the ball. Sorry.
Our excuse is that we had two many dumbfcks that believe everything they are told.
Every continent 'dangerously off track' as extreme weather smashes global records
A new Climate Council report chronicles the succession of disasters that have struck since last November's global climate summit in Scotland.www.sbs.com.au
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